Minutes interim-2024-iab-33: Wed 14:30
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Minutes of the 2024-10-16 IAB Business Meeting

1. Administrivia

1.1. Attendance

Present:

  Matthew Bocci
  Roman Danyliw (IETF Chair)
  Dhruv Dhody
  Liz Flynn (IETF Secretariat)
  Wes Hardaker
  Cullen Jennings
  Suresh Krishnan
  Mirja Kühlewind
  Cindy Morgan (IAB Executive Administrative Manager)
  Ryan Polk (ISOC Liaison)
  Tommy Pauly (IAB Chair)
  Colin Perkins (IRTF Chair)
  Alvaro Retana
  David Schinazi
  John Scudder (IESG Liaison)
  Sabrina Tanamal (IANA Liaison)
  Greg Wood
  Qin Wu

Regrets:

  Alissa Cooper
  Christopher Wood

Observer:

  Mark McFadden


1.2. Agenda bash and announcements


1.3. Meeting Minutes

The following meeting minutes were approved:

  • 2024-09-24 technical discussion - (submitted 2024-09-25)

  • 2024-10-02 business meeting - (submitted 2024-10-02)



1.4. Action Item Review


Done:

 • 2024-04-17: Cindy Morgan to update the timeline for the 2025 ICANN
   NomCom Liaison appointment once the list of positions being filled
   is available.

 • 2024-10-02: Cindy Morgan to draft a call for nominations for the
   ICANN NomCom appointment.

 • 2024-10-02: Cindy Morgan to send a reminder about the call for
   feedback on the IRTF Chair nominees.

 • 2024-10-02: Cindy Morgan to update the list of potential agenda
   items for IETF 121 in the wiki.

 • 2024-10-02: Alissa Cooper to reach out to the Global Digital
   Justice Forum about possibly meeting on 2024-12-11.

On Hold:

 • 2023-06-07: Dhruv Dhody and Wes Hardaker to track adding IAB
   review of proposed WG charters to the Datatracker.
   - See https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/5849


In Progress:

 • 2024-06-12: Mirja Kühlewind to work with Wes Hardaker on
   prioritizing the current list of IAB requests for the Tools Team.

 • 2024-06-24: Dhruv Dhody to coordinate a panel or other activity for
   APRICOT 2025/APNIC 59.

 • 2024-06-25: Suresh Krishnan to draft a document obsoleting RFC 3113
   (Update RFC3113 to in only high level details of the collaboration
   (3GPP-IETF co-ordination team) and move the details to a Wiki.
   Remove references to technology and org structure items that will
   become out of date quickly.

 • 2024-06-26: Suresh Krishnan, Warren Kumari, Dhruv Dhody, and Éric
   Vyncke will work on text around limited domains.

 • 2024-09-04: Liaison Coordinators to update RFC 4052 to improve
   documentation about liaison relationships.

 • 2024-10-02: Suresh Krishnan to try and find a contact at Tesla to
   talk about the Tesla Transport Protocol over Ethernet (TTPoE).


1.5. IAB Document Status Update - No updates this week

Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/stream/iab/

  • draft-iab-bias-workshop-report-02
    Sent to RFC Editor: Informational
    IAB Shepherd: Suresh Krishnan

  • draft-edm-protocol-greasing-03
    Maintaining Protocols Using Grease and Variability
    I-D Exists, IAB stream
    IAB Shepherd: Not assigned

1.6. IAB Review of WG Charters

Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/chartering/

  • Update to IANA Considerations (IANABIS)
    Area: GEN
    Internal Review
    IESG Telechat: (2024-10-17)
    IAB Reviewer: Mirja Kühlewind

  • MODeration PrOceDures (MODPOD)
    Area: GEN
    Approved pending chair selection
    IESG Telechat: (none)
    IAB Reviewer: Qin Wu (Review sent 2024-09-11)

  • Standard Communication with Network Elements (SCONE)
    Area: WIT
    External Review
    IESG Telechat: (2024-10-17)
    IAB Reviewer: Suresh Krishnan

1.7 IAB Appointments

  • IRTF Chair - Interviews complete; community feedback period ends
    2024-11-06
  • ICANN NomCom - Call for Nominations closes 2024-10-21
  • ISOC Board of Trustees - Call for Nominations will start mid-
    November


2. Monthly Reports and Other Brief Updates

2.1 IANA Liaison Report

--Begin IANA Liaison Report, Sabrina Tanamal--

IANA Services Liaison Report – 16 October 2024

SLA Deliverables Update:

ICANN met 100% of processing goal times for the August 2024
monthly statistics report, exceeding the SLA goal to meet 90% of
processing goal times. These times include the steps that ICANN
has control over and not time it is waiting on requesters,
document authors or other experts. The September monthly report is
currently being finalized and will be posted by October 15, 2024.
Monthly reports can be found at:

https://www.iana.org/performance/ietf-statistics

Other News:

IETF-IANA Group Meeting Minutes from 10 September 2024 are
available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-interim-2024-ietfiana-02-202409101500/.

--End IANA Liaison Report, Sabrina Tanamal--


2.2 IRTF Chair Report - written report received

--Begin IRTF Chair Report, Colin Perkins--

IRTF Chair report to the IAB for the month ending 2024-10-15

Research Groups

Discussing ongoing around potential research groups relating to
space networking and sustainability; expect side meetings on both
topics during IETF 121. HRPC rechartering remains on hold.

ANRP

Expect talks by Sawsan El-Zahr and Mingshi Wu at IETF 121 in
Dublin. Nominations for ANRP 2025 are open.

ANRW

Planning for ANRW 2025 is ongoing. Closing report for ANRW 2024
submitted to ACM.

Documents and Errata

In RG Last Call:

draft-irtf-nmrg-ai-challenges
draft-irtf-cfrg-dnhpke
draft-irtf-pearg-safe-internet-measurement
IRSG Review:

draft-irtf-cfrg-opaque
draft-irtf-iccrg-rledbat
draft-irtf-coinrg-use-cases
draft-irtf-cfrg-kangarootwelve
draft-irtf-nmrg-green-ps
In IRSG Poll:

draft-fluhrer-lms-more-parm-sets
draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct
In IESG Review:

draft-irtf-cfrg-aead-properties
Other Activities

IRTF Code of Conduct is in IRSG Final Poll. Discussion of an IRTF
conflict of interest policy is ongoing.

--End IRTF Chair Report, Colin Perkins--


2.3 IAB Outreach Coordinator Report

--Begin IAB Outreach Coordinator Report, Dhruv Dhody--

There were no outreach activities by the IAB this month.
- Some "individuals" participated in events:
    - Roman is attending ITU-WTSA and GSS in New Delhi. He was on
      a panel on AI
      standards alongside ITU, ISO, ICANN, IEC, ETSI, IEEE etc.
    - Dhruv presented at inSIG 2024 in Bangalore. They were also
      on a panel on the Internet Governance ecosystem alongside
      ISOC and ICANN.
    - Roman, Tommy, and Mirja attended a virtual session at the
      EU's High Level Internet Group on Internet Governance and
      provided a preview of IETF 121 activities.

Some key upcoming events of importance are -
 - ANSI Consortia Roundtable in DC (Oct 2024) (Alissa is
   attending)
 - NANOG and RIPE meetings (Oct 2024)
 - ICANN 81 in Istanbul (Nov 2024)

IAB NEMOPS workshop outreach
- Benoit presented at LACNIC42/LACNOG in Paraguay
- Qin, Kent & Warren will be at NANOG92/ARIN54 in Toronto to
  present about the workshop and hold a breakout session
- Benoit will present in RIPE89 in Prague
- Mahesh will present in AutoConn2 in Denver (Nov 2024)
- After the workshop
  - APRICOT2025/APNIC59 (Dhruv)
  - NANOG93 (Suresh)

News:
- IAB decided to participate in APRICOT2025/APNIC59 in Feb 2025.
  The venue is moved from Dhaka to Petaling Jaya, Malaysia (PJ is
  a suburb of KL). Next step to finalize the format.
- We still need to shortlist an internet governance event for 2025
  (IGF 2025, ICANN events, WSIS+20,...)

--End IAB Outreach Coordinator Report, Dhruv Dhody--

2.4 M3AAWG Liaison Report

--Begin M3AAWG Liaison Report, Barry Leiba--

M3AAWG just had a meeting last week in Toronto, so it's a good time
for an update.

- M3AAWG is heavily involved in DMARC, with several members participating
in (and co-chairing) the IETF working group.
- Some M3 members are following the work in MAILMAINT (and the chair comes
from M3AAWG).
- The "mobile" side of M3AAWG (the three M's are Messaging, Malware,
Mobile) is closely following the ongoing deployment of and regulatory/policy
aspects of STIR/SHAKEN.
- There is lots of interest in our work on prepping the security protocols
for post-quantum algorithms.  The keynote speaker at the Toronto meeting was
a professor from U of Waterloo, talking about quantum computing and quantum-
safe cryptography.
- A group of M3AAWG members are working (not officially chartered by
M3AAWG) to specify a DKIM2 proposal to bring to the IETF.  The plan is to
improve some of the weak points of DKIM so as to allow it to address some of
the DMARC issues.
- Some people from M3AAWG are likely to be back to us soon with a BoF
proposal for a second BIMI BoF (the first was at IETF 104 in 2019).
There is still strong interest in developing a standard around it.
- There's interest in starting new work in M3AAWG on best practices for
security end-user networks (home and small businesses).  This might tie into
IETF work in TEEP, SUIT, RATS, and possibly MADINAS, as well as some of the
work that was done in HOMENET.

No help needed from the IAB at this point, though if/when the BIMI people
come back with a new BoF proposal it would be good for them to get some
advice from the IAB.  No concerns at this point either.

--End M3AAWG Liaison Report, Barry Leiba--

2.5 Other Liaison Reports

Mirja Kühlewind said that the liaison coordinators met last week and are
working on some bis documents, as well as discussing whether a liaison
manager for ITU SG12 is needed.

Ryan Polk mentioned that Monday is Annual Encryption Day, and he will send
the IAB more information about ways to get involved. He also reported that
an anti-CSAM regulation that would weaken encryption in the EU did not pass,
which is a big win for the technical community.

Mirja Kühlewind noted that EODir will be holding a new Meetecho tutorial
during the Sunday of IETF 121, and the Systers are planning to talk with
IESG leadership about the action plan from the report on womens' experiences
in the IETF.

Roman Danyliw reported that IETF 121 will be the last time ALLDISPATCH is
run as an experiment, and the IESG would like feedback on whether to
continue it.


3. BOF Coverage at IETF 121

  The IAB discussed who will be attending which BOFs at IETF 121,
  which are listed at https://wiki.ietf.org/group/iab/Bof121.

  • High Performance Wide Area Network (HPWAN) - WIT: Suresh
  • Digital Emblems (DIEM) - INT: Dhruv, Tommy
  • RESTful Provisioning Protocol (RPP) - ART: Wes
  • Deepspace (DEEPSPACE) - INT: Wes, Colin


4. IAB Agenda at IETF 121

  The IAB discussed potential topics and timing for agenda items
  at their IETF 121 meetings.

5. IAB Open Session at IETF 121

  The IAB discussed potential speakers and agenda topics for the
  IAB Open session at IETF 121.


6. ISOC Board of Trustees Appointment

  The appointment process for the ISOC Board of Trustees position
  will begin shortly after IETF 121. The IAB is required to do a
  full call for nominations for this position every year.



7. Next IAB Meeting

  The next IAB meeting will be during IETF 121.