Minutes interim-2024-iesg-04: Thu 15:00
minutes-interim-2024-iesg-04-202402151500-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the February 15, 2024 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Andrew Alston (Liquid Intelligent Technologies) /  Routing Area
Amanda Baber (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Dhruv Dhody (Huawei) / IAB Liaison
Martin Duke (Google) / Transport Area
Lars Eggert (Mozilla) / IETF Chair, General Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Incoming Operations and Management Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Meta) / Applications and Real-Time Area 
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / IAB Chair
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Nokia) / Transport Area
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Orie Steele (Transmute) / Incoming Applications and Real-Time Area
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Incoming Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Robert Wilton (Cisco Systems) / Operations and Management Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area


REGRETS
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Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director 
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Applications and Real-Time Area


OBSERVERS
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Henk Birkholz
Ed Birrane
Adam Wiethuechter
Greg Wood


1.1 Approval of the minutes 

The minutes of the February 1, 2024 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the February 1, 2024 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents approved since the February 1, 2024 IESG Teleconference

1.2.1 Protocol Actions

     o draft-ietf-kitten-krb-spake-preauth-13  (Proposed Standard)
     o draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-29  (Proposed Standard)
     o draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-evc-07  (Proposed Standard)
     o draft-ietf-lamps-x509-policy-graph-05  (Proposed Standard)
     o draft-ietf-bier-evpn-14  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions

  NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

NEW:

     o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9422 (SMTP Server
       Limits) [IANA #1358457].

IN PROGRESS:

     o Warren Kumari and Murray Kucherawy to follow up on a bis document for 
       RFC 8126 regarding designated experts.

     o Andrew Alston to email the RSWG regarding document authorship/
       editorship with regards to the number of authors listed.

     o Lars Eggert and Warren Kumari to 1) draft a revision of RFC 4858, 
       2) draft a revised IESG Statement on Document Shepherds (original 
       statement October 2010), and 3) update the WG Chairs wiki to point 
       to the new IESG Statement.


2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-detnet-yang-19  - IETF stream
   Deterministic Networking (DetNet) YANG Model (Proposed Standard)
   Token: John Scudder

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once John Scudder confirms that the announcement is ready to be 
sent.

 o draft-ietf-netconf-http-client-server-17  - IETF stream
   YANG Groupings for HTTP 1.1/2.0 Clients and HTTP Servers (Proposed
   Standard)
   Token: Robert Wilton

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*


 o draft-ietf-httpapi-link-template-03  - IETF stream
   The Link-Template HTTP Header Field (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Zaheduzzaman Sarker

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Zaheduzzaman Sarker. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-babel-rtt-extension-05  - IETF stream
   Delay-based Metric Extension for the Babel Routing Protocol
   (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Andrew Alston

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Martin Duke, Murray Kucherawy, Warren Kumari, 
Zaheduzzaman Sarker, Eric Vyncke, Robert Wilton, and Paul Wouters.*


 o draft-ietf-opsawg-9092-update-10  - IETF stream
   Finding and Using Geofeed Data (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Robert Wilton

Warren Kumari formally recused himself from the discussion. 
The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Paul Wouters.*


 o draft-ietf-drip-auth-47  - IETF stream
   DRIP Entity Tag Authentication Formats & Protocols for Broadcast
   Remote ID (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Eric Vyncke

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Eric Vyncke confirms that the announcement is ready to be 
sent.


 o draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-topo-yang-10  - IETF stream
   A YANG Data Model for Microwave Topology (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Eric Vyncke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Robert Wilton.*


 o draft-ietf-lamps-rfc8398bis-05  - IETF stream
   Internationalized Email Addresses in X.509 Certificates (Proposed
   Standard)
   Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Roman Danyliw confirms that the announcement is ready to be 
sent.



2.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-nvo3-encap-11  - IETF stream
   Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO3) Encapsulation Considerations
   (Informational)
   Token: Andrew Alston

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Andrew Alston confirms that the announcement is ready to be 
sent.


 o draft-ietf-detnet-ip-oam-12  - IETF stream
   Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) for Deterministic
   Networks (DetNet) with IP Data Plane (Informational)
   Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-dtn-dtnma-10  - IETF stream
   DTN Management Architecture (Informational)
   Token: Zaheduzzaman Sarker

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Robert Wilton.*


3.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 NONE

3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 o conflict-review-spinosa-urn-lex-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-spinosa-urn-lex
     draft-spinosa-urn-lex-21
     A Uniform Resource Name (URN) Namespace for Sources of Law (LEX)
   (ISE: Informational)
   Token: Murray Kucherawy

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response
prepared by Murray Kucherawy.


3.4.2 Returning items

 o conflict-review-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines
     draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-21
     Guidelines for Human Rights Protocol and Architecture
   Considerations (IRTF: Informational)
   Token: Paul Wouters

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The
Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that
includes a conflict review response prepared by Paul Wouters.


 o conflict-review-farinacci-lisp-lispers-net-nat-01
   IETF conflict review for draft-farinacci-lisp-lispers-net-nat
     draft-farinacci-lisp-lispers-net-nat-07
     lispers.net LISP NAT-Traversal Implementation Report (ISE:
   Informational)
   Token: Eric Vyncke

The IESG recommends that the RFC Editor does not publish this document.
The Secretariat will send a "do not publish" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response
prepared by Eric Vyncke.


4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 o Detecting Unwanted Location Trackers (dult)

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review pending edits to
be provided by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a WG Review
announcement, with a separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The
Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG
Teleconference (February 29, 2024).


 o Workload Identity in Multi System Environments (wimse)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*  


4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1353885] Acceptance of media type registration from standards organization 
Trust Over IP Foundation Technology Stack Working Group -2 (TSWG) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG asks IANA to process this 
media-type request, and to add this organization to the 'Standards-
related organizations that have registered Media Types in the Standards Tree.' 


6.2 IETF 119 Agenda Conflict Resolution (Liz Flynn)

The management issue was discussed.  

6.3 [IANA #1358123] renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-policy-cp (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approves renewing the early 
allocations for draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-policy-cp.


6.4 [IANA #1358457] Designated experts for SMTP Server Limits registry (RFC 9422)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated
experts for SMTP Server Limits registry (RFC 9422) was assigned to
Murray Kucherawy.


6.5 Executive Session: IETF Trust Appointment

The management issue was discussed in an executive session.


6.6 Executive Session: IESG Confirmation of ISOC BOT Candidates

The management issue was discussed in an executive session.


6.7 Page Counts on Upcoming Telechats (Robert Wilton)


The management issue was discussed.


7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

The management issue was discussed.


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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.