Minutes interim-2024-iesg-05: Thu 15:00
minutes-interim-2024-iesg-05-202402291500-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the February 29, 2024 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Andrew Alston (Liquid Intelligent Technologies) /  Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Deb Cooley / Incoming Security Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Dhruv Dhody (Huawei) / IAB Liaison
Martin Duke (Google) / Transport Area
Lars Eggert (Mozilla) / IETF Chair, General Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Incoming Operations and Management Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Meta) / Applications and Real-Time Area 
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / IAB Chair
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Nokia) / Transport Area
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Orie Steele (Transmute) / Incoming Applications and Real-Time Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Incoming Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Robert Wilton (Cisco Systems) / Operations and Management Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area


REGRETS
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Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director 



OBSERVERS
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Greg Wood


MINUTES
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1.1 Approval of the minutes 

The minutes of the February 15, 2024 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the February 15, 2024 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The minutes of the January 22, 2024 BOF Coordination Call were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.


1.2 Documents approved since the February 15, 2024 IESG Teleconference

1.2.1 Protocol Actions

    o draft-ietf-opsawg-9092-update-11  (Proposed Standard)
    o draft-ietf-ccamp-layer1-types-18  (Proposed Standard)
    o draft-ietf-drip-auth-49  (Proposed Standard)
    o draft-ietf-lamps-rfc8398bis-05  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions 

  NONE


1.3 Review of Action Items

NEW: 

  o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9530 (Digest 
    Fields) [IANA #1359278].

  o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9421 (HTTP Message 
    Signatures)[IANA #1359281].

  o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9535 (JSONPath: 
    Query Expressions for JSON)[IANA #1359744].


IN PROGRESS: 

  o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9422 (SMTP Server
    Limits) [IANA #1358457].

  o Warren Kumari and Murray Kucherawy to follow up on a bis document for 
    RFC 8126 regarding designated experts.

  o Andrew Alston to email the RSWG regarding document authorship/
    editorship with regards to the number of authors listed.

  o Lars Eggert and Warren Kumari to 1) draft a revision of RFC 4858, 
    2) draft a revised IESG Statement on Document Shepherds (original 
    statement October 2010), and 3) update the WG Chairs wiki to point 
    to the new IESG Statement.

DONE: 

  o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for for draft-ietf-emu-
    rfc7170bis (TEAP Error TLV (value 5) Error Codes)[IANA #1359970].


2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items


  o draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server-38 - IETF stream
    YANG Groupings for SSH Clients and SSH Servers (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Robert Wilton

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Murray Kucherawy, and Paul Wouters.*


  o draft-ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server-22 - IETF stream
    YANG Groupings for TCP Clients and TCP Servers (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Robert Wilton

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Éric Vyncke.*


  o draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server-39 - IETF stream
    YANG Groupings for TLS Clients and TLS Servers (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Robert Wilton

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Murray Kucherawy, and Paul Wouters.*


  o draft-ietf-suit-manifest-25 - IETF stream
    A Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)-based Serialization
    Format for the Software Updates for Internet of Things (SUIT)
    Manifest (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Murray Kucherawy and Paul Wouters.*


  o draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-25 - IETF stream
    A YANG Data Model for L1 Connectivity Service Model (L1CSM)
    (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.



  o draft-ietf-mpls-lspping-norao-07 - IETF stream
    Deprecating the Use of Router Alert in LSP Ping (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Andrew Alston

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Éric Vyncke.*



  o draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-yang-12 - IETF stream
    A YANG Data Model for In-Situ OAM (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Martin Duke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG until it has enough
positions to proceed.*


2.1.2 Returning items


NONE


2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items


NONE


2.2.2 Returning items


NONE


2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items


NONE


2.3.2 Returning items


NONE


3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items


  o draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-ip-preof-11 - IETF stream
    Deterministic Networking (DetNet): DetNet PREOF via MPLS over
    UDP/IP (Informational)
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.


  o draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage-20 - IETF stream
    BGP Usage for SD-WAN Overlay Networks (Informational)
    Token: Andrew Alston

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, John Scudder, and Paul Wouters.*


  o draft-ietf-tvr-use-cases-07 - IETF stream
    TVR (Time-Variant Routing) Use Cases (Informational)
    Token: Andrew Alston

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Andrew Alston confirms that the announcement is 
ready to be sent.


  o draft-ietf-lamps-pkcs12-pbmac1-08 - IETF stream
    Use of Password Based Message Authentication Code 1 (PBMAC1) in
    PKCS #12 Syntax (Informational)
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Document Action Announcement.


3.1.2 Returning items


NONE


3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items


NONE


3.2.2 Returning items


NONE


3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items


NONE


3.3.2 Returning items


NONE


3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items


NONE


3.4.2 Returning items


NONE


4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review


NONE


4.1.2 Proposed for approval


   o Detecting Unwanted Location Trackers (dult)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement. 


4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review


o Multiplexed Application Substrate over QUIC Encryption (masque)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message 
to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda 
for the IESG Teleconference on April 4, 2024.



4.2.2 Proposed for approval


NONE


5. IAB news we can use


6. Management issues


6.1 [IANA #1358158] renewing early allocation for draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the
early allocation for draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher.


6.2 [IANA #1359278] Designated experts for RFC 9530 (Digest Fields) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find 
designated experts for RFC 9530 was assigned to Murray Kucherawy.


6.3 [IANA #1359281] Designated experts for RFC 9421 (HTTP Message Signatures) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find 
designated experts for RFC 9421 was assigned to Paul Wouters. 


6.4 I[ANA #1359744] Designated experts for [RFC 9535 (JSONPath: 
Query Expressions for JSON)] (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find 
designated experts for RFC 9535 was assigned to Murray Kucherawy.


6.5 Telechat dates between IETF 119 and IETF 120 (Secretariat)

The management issue was discussed. The Secretariat will schedule 
future telechats. 


6.6 [IANA #1359970] Designated experts for draft-ietf-emu-rfc7170bis 
(TEAP Error TLV (value 5) Error Codes) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Margaret 
Cullen <mrcullen42@gmail.com> and Nancy Cam-Winget 
<ncamwing@cisco.com> as the designated experts for draft-ietf-emu-
rfc7170bis (TEAP Error TLV (value 5) Error Codes).


6.7. Downref in draft-ietf-cellar-flac-14

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved a downref to 
RFC 2083: PNG (Portable Network Graphics) in draft-ietf-cellar-
flac-14. RFC 2083 was listed as an informative reference during 
IETF Last Call, but was promoted to a normative reference during 
IESG Evaluation. The IESG concluded that RFC 2083 is mature enough 
that a second Last Call was not required.


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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.