Minutes interim-2024-iesg-08: Thu 14:00
minutes-interim-2024-iesg-08-202404041400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the April 4, 2024 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Deb Cooley / Security Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / IETF Chair, General Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Operations and Management Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Meta) / Applications and Real-Time Area 
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Tommy Pauly (Apple) / IAB Chair
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Nokia) / Web and Internet Transport Area
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Orie Steele (Transmute) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area


REGRETS
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Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director 
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Web and Internet Transport Area
David Schinazi (Google) / IAB Liaison


OBSERVERS
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Richard Barnes
Mike Jones
Alexandr Viktor Marek Stepanovic
Marco Tiloca
Greg Wood


MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the minutes

The minutes of the February 29, 2024 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the February 29, 2024 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The minutes of the March 7, 2024 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the March 7, 2024 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.


1.2 Documents Approved since the March 7, 2024 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions

  o draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-topo-yang-12  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mpls-lspping-norao-08  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-11  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-netconf-keystore-35  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-netconf-http-client-server-20  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server-40  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server-41  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-netconf-crypto-types-34  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-netconf-trust-anchors-28  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server-24  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-gnap-core-protocol-20  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-lamps-cms-kemri-08  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-detnet-yang-20  (Proposed Standard)
    
1.2.2 Document Actions

  o draft-ietf-nvo3-encap-12  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-tvr-use-cases-09  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-lamps-e2e-mail-guidance-16  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-detnet-ip-oam-13  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-avtext-framemarking-16  (Experimental)
  o draft-tenoever-tao-retirement-04  (Informational)


1.3 List of remaining action items from last telechat

NEW:

  o Eric Vyncke to find designated experts for RFC 9508 
    (Information-Centric Networking (ICN) Ping Protocol 
    Specification) [IANA #1361078]

  o Paul Wouters to open up an issue with the Tools Team asking 
    for IANA to be notified about document state changes.

IN PROGRESS: 

  o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9422 
    (SMTP Server Limits) [IANA #1358457].

  o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9530 
    (Digest Fields) [IANA #1359278].

  o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9535 
    (JSONPath: Query Expressions for JSON)[IANA #1359744].

  o Orie Steele to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-calext-
    jscontact-16 (JSContact Properties)[IANA #1361734]

  o Roman Danyliw and Warren Kumari to 1) draft a revision of RFC 
    4858, 2) draft a revised IESG Statement on Document Shepherds 
    (original statement October 2010), and 3) update the WG Chairs 
    wiki to point to the new IESG Statement.

  o Jay Daley, Dhruv Dhody, Éric Vyncke, Orie Steele, Mahesh 
    Jethanandani, Gunter Van de Velde to form a design team to 
    gather community feedback about meeting in China.

  o Francesca Palombini to come up with a v2 proposal for trying 
    ALLDISPATCH again at IETF 120.

DONE:

  o Deb Cooley to find one more designated expert for "SMI 
    Security for PKIX Module Identifier" registry of the group 
    "Structure of Management Information (SMI) Numbers (MIB Module 
    Registrations)"

   o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 7170 (TEAP 
     TLV Types) [IANA #1361724]



2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-core-oscore-edhoc-10  - IETF stream
   Using Ephemeral Diffie-Hellman Over COSE (EDHOC) with the
   Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP) and Object Security for
   Constrained RESTful Environments (OSCORE) (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Paul Wouters

Francesca Palombini formally recused herself from the discussion. 
The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Paul Wouters. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  
 o draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-ipv6-24  - IETF stream
   Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) Extensions
   for Segment Routing leveraging the IPv6 Data-plane (Proposed
   Standard)
   Token: John Scudder

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by John Scudder. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-sframe-enc-07  - IETF stream
   Secure Frame (SFrame) (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Murray Kucherawy confirms that the announcement 
is ready to be sent.


 o draft-ietf-jmap-sieve-20  - IETF stream
   JMAP for Sieve Scripts (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Murray Kucherawy. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-extra-imap-inprogress-05  - IETF stream
   IMAP4 Response Code for Command Progress Notifications. (Proposed
   Standard)
   Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Murray Kucherawy. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-acceptable-urls-11  - IETF stream
   Authorized update to MUD URLs (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Mahesh Jethanandani

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Deb Cooley and John Scudder.*


 o draft-ietf-add-resolver-info-12  - IETF stream
   DNS Resolver Information (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Éric Vyncke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Warren Kumari and Paul Wouters.*


 o draft-ietf-cose-typ-header-parameter-04  - IETF stream
   COSE "typ" (type) Header Parameter (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Paul Wouters

Orie Steele formally recused himself from the discussion. The document was 
approved by the IESG pending a final check to be completed by Paul Wouters. 
The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-extra-imap-list-metadata-05  - IETF stream
   IMAP4 Extension for Returning Mailbox METADATA in Extended LIST
   (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Murray Kucherawy. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-lamps-norevavail-03  - IETF stream
   No Revocation Available for X.509 Public Key Certificates (Proposed
   Standard)
   Token: Roman Danyliw

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Paul Wouters.*

2.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 o status-change-uplift-eap-akaquote-to-ps-00  - IETF stream
   Proposed Status Change for RFC 9048 (EAP-AKA') from Informational
   to Proposed Standard (None)
   Token: Paul Wouters

The IESG agreed to change the status of RFC 9048 from Informational to 
Proposed Standard. The Secretariat will send a Document Action Announcement.



2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding-17  - IETF stream
   Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs (Experimental)
   Token: John Scudder

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by John Scudder. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-lsr-isis-fast-flooding-08  - IETF stream
   IS-IS Fast Flooding (Experimental)
   Token: John Scudder

Gunter Van de Velde formally recused himself from the discussion. The 
document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Zaheduzzaman Sarker.*


 o draft-ietf-v6ops-dhcp-pd-per-device-08  - IETF stream
   Using DHCPv6-PD to Allocate Unique IPv6 Prefix per Client in Large
   Broadcast Networks (Informational)
   Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Document Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-extra-imap-uidonly-07  - IETF stream
   IMAP Extension for only using and returning UIDs (Experimental)
   Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Murray Kucherawy. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.



3.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 o draft-zern-webp-14  - IETF stream
   WebP Image Format (Informational)
   Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Murray Kucherawy confirms that the announcement 
is ready to be sent.


3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 NONE

3.4.2 Returning items

 NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 o Mail Maintenance (mailmaint)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Zaheduzzaman Sarker, and Éric Vyncke.*  


4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 o A Semantic Definition Format for Data and Interactions of Things (asdf)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by John Scudder and Roman Danyliw.*  


4.2.2 Proposed for approval

 o Multiplexed Application Substrate over QUIC Encryption (masque)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 


5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1361078] Designated experts for RFC 9508 (Information-Centric 
Networking (ICN) Ping Protocol Specification) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item was assigned 
to Éric Vyncke.

6.2 When should IANA be notified about document state changes? 
(IANA, Tools Liaisons)

The management issue was discussed. Paul Wouters will open up an 
issue with the Tools Team asking for IANA to be notified about 
document state changes.


6.3 [IANA #1360712] renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-mpls-sr-epe-oam (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing 
the early allocations for draft-ietf-mpls-sr-epe-oam.


6.4 [IANA #1361724] Designated experts for draft-ietf-emu-rfc7170bis 
(TEAP TLV Types) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Margaret Cullen 
<mrcullen42@gmail.com> and Nancy Cam-Winget <ncamwing@cisco.com> 
as the designated experts for draft-ietf-emu-rfc7170bis (TEAP TLV Types).


6.5 [IANA #1361734] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-calext-jscontact-16 
(JSContact Properties) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item was assigned 
to Orie Steele.


6.6 [IANA #1360708] renewing early allocation for RFC 8111 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing 
the early allocations for RFC 8111.


6.7 Additional designated expert for SMI PKIX registries (Deb Cooley)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Sean Turner 
<sean@sn3rd.com> as an additional designated expert for the 
SMI PKIX registries.


6.8 Editorial IESG Statement Updates (Roman Danyliw)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved updating 
the contact email address in the "IETF Meeting Photography Policy" 
IESG Statement.


6.9 Expedited Processing for draft-ietf-drip-auth (Eric Vyncke)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved expedited 
processing for draft-ietf-drip-auth in order to have an RFC number 
before 2024-04-27.


7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.