Minutes interim-2024-iesg-15: Thu 14:00
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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the July 11, 2024 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Deb Cooley / Security Area
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / IETF Chair, General Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Operations and Management Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Tommy Pauly (Apple) / IAB Chair
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Nokia) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Orie Steele (Transmute) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area


REGRETS
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Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Meta) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Web and Internet Transport Area
David Schinazi (Google) / IAB Liaison
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area

OBSERVERS
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Greg Wood


MINUTES
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1. Administrivia

1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the June 13, 2024 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the June 13, 2024 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The minutes of the June 20, 2024 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the June 20, 2024 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The minutes of the May 29, 2024 IETF 120 BOF Call were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. 

1.2 Documents Approved since the June 20, 2024 IESG Teleconference

1.2.1 Protocol Actions

     o draft-ietf-rats-eat-29  (Proposed Standard)
     o draft-ietf-bpf-isa-04  (Proposed Standard)
     o draft-ietf-cbor-update-8610-grammar-06  (Proposed Standard)
     o draft-ietf-mboned-multicast-telemetry-12  (Proposed Standard)
     o draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-29  (Proposed Standard)
     o draft-ietf-add-split-horizon-authority-14  (Proposed Standard)
     o draft-ietf-dnsop-qdcount-is-one-04  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions

     o draft-ietf-mops-ar-use-case-18  (Informational)


1.3 Review of Action Items

IN PROGRESS: 

  o Éric Vyncke to find designated experts for RFC 9575 (DRIP Entity 
    Tag (DET) Authentication Formats and Protocols for Broadcast 
    Remote Identification (RID)) [IANA #1367328]

  o Éric Vyncke to find designated experts for RFC 9606 (DNS Resolver 
    Information") [IANA #1367528].

  o Roman Danyliw and Warren Kumari to 1) draft a revision of RFC 4858, 
    2) draft a revised IESG Statement on Document Shepherds (original 
    statement October 2010), and 3) update the WG Chairs wiki to point 
    to the new IESG Statement.

  o Paul Wouters to write a proposal for handling IANA review
    mailing lists.

  o All IESG to review Non-WG List Review spreadsheet and note
    which lists may be ready for closure and any needed AD Actions.

  o Orie Steele, Francesca Palombini, Murray Kucherawy, Mahesh 
    Jethanandani, Warren Kumari to write draft of IESG statement 
    addressing issue of credit in documents & the importance of 
    capturing and addressing all comments as a necessary part of the 
    consensus process, mostly pointing at existing advice.

  o Murray Kucherawy and Éric Vyncke to create a draft IESG statement 
    about using 2119 language.

  o Murray Kucherawy to draft an IESG statement on use of 
    Internet-Drafts to meet "specification required" in IANA 
    registries.
      
DONE: 

  o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9577 (The Privacy 
    Pass HTTP Authentication Scheme) [IANA #1366921].


2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-ace-revoked-token-notification-08  - IETF stream
   Notification of Revoked Access Tokens in the Authentication and
   Authorization for Constrained Environments (ACE) Framework
   (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Paul Wouters

Francesca Palombini formally recused herself from the discussion. 
The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Orie Steele.*


 o draft-ietf-mpls-sr-epe-oam-18  - IETF stream
   Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping/Traceroute for Segment Routing (SR)
   Egress Peer Engineering Segment Identifiers (SIDs) with MPLS Data
   Plane (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Jim Guichard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by John Scudder.*


 o draft-ietf-opsawg-ipfix-fixes-11  - IETF stream
   Simple Fixes to the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Entities
   IANA Registry (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Mahesh Jethanandani

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Mahesh Jethanandani. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-opsawg-ipfix-tcpo-v6eh-17  - IETF stream
   Extended TCP Options and IPv6 Extension Headers IPFIX Information
   Elements (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Mahesh Jethanandani

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw and Paul Wouters.*


 o draft-ietf-opsawg-tsvwg-udp-ipfix-13  - IETF stream
   Export of UDP Options Information in IP Flow Information Export
   (IPFIX) (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Mahesh Jethanandani

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw.*


 o draft-ietf-mpls-msd-yang-12  - IETF stream
   YANG Data Model for Maximum SID Depth Types and MPLS Maximum SID
   Depth (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Jim Guichard

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Jim Guichard. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


2.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-update-05  - IETF stream
   Expanding the IPv6 Documentation Space (Informational)
   Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a
working group submission Document Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-madinas-mac-address-randomization-14  - IETF stream
   Randomized and Changing MAC Address State of Affairs (Informational)
   Token: Éric Vyncke

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action
Announcement once Éric Vyncke confirms that the announcement is 
ready to be sent.


3.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 NONE

3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 NONE

3.4.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4.3 For action

 o conflict-review-li-arch-sat-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-li-arch-sat
     draft-li-arch-sat-07
     A Routing Architecture for Satellite Networks (ISE: Informational)
   Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was assigned to Jim Guichard for RFC 5742 review.


4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1367328] Designated experts for RFC 9575 (DRIP Entity Tag 
(DET) Authentication Formats and Protocols for Broadcast Remote 
Identification (RID)) (IANA)

An action item to find designated experts for RFC 9575 (DRIP 
Entity Tag (DET) Authentication Formats and Protocols for 
Broadcast Remote Identification (RID)) was assigned to Éric Vyncke 
prior to the start of the teleconference. 


6.2 [IANA #1367528] Designated experts for RFC 9606, "DNS Resolver Information" (IANA)

An action item to find designated experts for RFC 9606 (DNS 
Resolver Information) was assigned to Éric Vyncke prior to the 
start of the teleconference. 


6.3 [IANA #1366745] renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-tcpm-accurate-ecn (IANA)

The management item was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the 
early allocations for draft-ietf-tcpm-accurate-ecn.


6.4 IETF 123 Important Dates (Secretariat)

The management item was discussed. The IESG approved Important 
Dates for IETF 123. 


6.5 Systers outreach at 120 (Secretariat)

The management item was discussed. 


6.6 [IANA #1366921] Designated experts for RFC 9577 (The Privacy Pass 
HTTP Authentication Scheme) (Paul Wouters)

The management item was discussed. The IESG approved Tommy Pauly 
<tpauly@apple.com> and Chris Wood <caw@heapingbits.net> as the 
designated experts for RFC 9577. 


7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)


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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/)
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.