Minutes interim-2024-iesg-17: Thu 14:00
minutes-interim-2024-iesg-17-202408221400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the August 22, 2024 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Deb Cooley (Department of Homeland Security, Cybersecurity and 
  Infrastructure Security Agency) / Security Area
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / IETF Chair, General Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Operations and Management Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Meta) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Nokia) / Web and Internet Transport Area
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Orie Steele (Transmute) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area


REGRETS
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Tommy Pauly (Apple) / IAB Chair
David Schinazi (Google) / IAB Liaison


OBSERVERS
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Adrian Farrel
Patrick Meenan
Laura Nugent
Behcet Sarikaya
Kent Watsen
Greg Wood


MINUTES
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1.1 Approval of the minutes of past telechats

The minutes of the August 8, 2024 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the August 8, 2024 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.


1.2 Documents Approved since the August 8, 2024 IESG Teleconference

1.2.1 Protocol Actions

  o draft-ietf-wish-whip-16  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-rift-yang-17  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-extra-processimip-09  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr-22  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-lsr-labv-registration-03  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions

  o draft-ietf-mops-treedn-07  (Informational)


1.3 Review of Action Items

CLOSED:

 	o Roman Danyliw and Warren Kumari to 1) draft a revision of RFC 4858,
   	  2) draft a revised IESG Statement on Document Shepherds (original
   	  statement October 2010), and 3) update the WG Chairs wiki to point
   	  to the new IESG Statement.
  	   	 
DONE:

 	o All IESG to review Non-WG List Review spreadsheet and note
   	  which lists may be ready for closure and any needed AD Actions.
  	 
 	o Roman Danyliw to reach out to Dhruv Dhody to better track outreach
   	  initiatives.
    
IN PROGRESS:

 	o Francesca Palombini to find designated experts for  RFC 9595 (YANG
   	  Schema Item iDentifier (YANG SID)) [IANA #1369452].

 	o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9580 (OpenPGP)
   	  [IANA #1369457].

 	o Orie Steele to find designated experts for  RFC 9581 (CBOR)
   	  [IANA #1372387]

 	o Paul Wouters to write a proposal for handling IANA review
        mailing lists.

 	o Orie Steele, Francesca Palombini, Murray Kucherawy, Mahesh 
        Jethanandani, Warren Kumari to write draft of IESG statement 
        addressing issue of credit in documents & the importance of capturing 
        and addressing all comments as a necessary part of the consensus 
        process, mostly pointing at existing advice.

 	o Murray Kucherawy and Eric Vyncke to create a draft IESG statement
   	  about using 2119 language.

 	o Murray Kucherawy to draft an IESG statement on use of Internet-Drafts
   	  to meet "specification required" in IANA registries.

 	o Roman Danyliw to reach out Systers about the value of writing
        recommendation letters to employers.


2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-netconf-http-client-server-23  - IETF stream
   YANG Groupings for HTTP Clients and HTTP Servers (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Mahesh Jethanandani

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Francesca Palombini.*


 o draft-ietf-bess-evpn-fast-df-recovery-10  - IETF stream
   Fast Recovery for EVPN Designated Forwarder Election (Proposed
   Standard)
   Token: Gunter Van de Velde

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by John Scudder.*


 o draft-ietf-nfsv4-delstid-05  - IETF stream
   Extending the Opening of Files in NFSv4.2 (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Zaheduzzaman Sarker

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action
Announcement once Zaheduzzaman Sarker confirms that the announcement is
ready to be sent.


 o draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8109bis-06  - IETF stream
   Initializing a DNS Resolver with Priming Queries (Best Current
   Practice)
   Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action
Announcement once Warren Kumari confirms that the announcement is
ready to be sent.


 o draft-ietf-httpbis-compression-dictionary-14  - IETF stream
   Compression Dictionary Transport (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Francesca Palombini

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*


2.1.2 Returning items

 o draft-ietf-ntp-interleaved-modes-07  - IETF stream
   NTP Interleaved Modes (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Erik Kline

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*


2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-native-ip-34  - IETF stream
   Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) Extensions
   for Native IP Networks (Experimental)
   Token: John Scudder

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*


 o draft-ietf-extra-imap-messagelimit-10  - IETF stream
   IMAP MESSAGELIMIT Extension (Experimental)
   Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Murray Kucherawy. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-teas-applicability-actn-slicing-09  - IETF stream
   Applicability of Abstraction and Control of Traffic Engineered
   Networks (ACTN) to Network Slicing (Informational)
   Token: Jim Guichard

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action
Announcement once Jim Guichard confirms that the announcement is ready
to be sent.


 o draft-ietf-httpbis-zstd-window-size-02  - IETF stream
   Window Sizing for Zstandard Content Encoding (Informational)
   Token: Francesca Palombini

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Francesca Palombini. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Protocol Action Announcement.



3.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 NONE

3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 o conflict-review-li-arch-sat-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-li-arch-sat
 	draft-li-arch-sat-07
 	A Routing Architecture for Satellite Networks (ISE: Informational)
   Token: Jim Guichard
   
The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response
prepared by Jim Guichard.   


3.4.2 Returning items

 NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 o Routing In Fat Trees (rift)
 
The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Gunter Van de Velde.*  


4.2.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1367916] renewing early allocations for
	draft-ietf-idr-sr-policy-safi (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewal of this early allocation.


6.2 [IANA #1372387] Designated experts for RFC 9581 (Concise Binary
	Object Representation (CBOR) Tags for Time, Duration, and Period) 
      (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item was assigned to Orie
Steele.


6.3 [IANA #1366742] renewing early allocation for 
    draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewal of this early allocation.


7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)


6.4 Executive Session


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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/)
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.