Minutes interim-2024-iesg-18: Thu 14:00
minutes-interim-2024-iesg-18-202409051400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the September 5, 2024 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Deb Cooley (Department of Homeland Security, Cybersecurity and
  Infrastructure Security Agency) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Operations and Management Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Meta) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Nokia) / Web and Internet Transport Area
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area


REGRETS
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Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / IETF Chair, General Area
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Tommy Pauly (Apple) / IAB Chair
David Schinazi (Google) / IAB Liaison
Orie Steele (Transmute) / Applications and Real-Time Area


OBSERVERS
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Sarah Jennings
Pete Resnick
Greg Wood


MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the minutes 

The minutes of the August 22, 2024 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the August 22, 2024  Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.


1.2 Documents Approved since the August 22, 2024 IESG Teleconference

1.2.1 Protocol Actions

  o draft-ietf-bess-evpn-mh-split-horizon-11  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls-18  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pim-3376bis-12  (Internet Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pim-3228bis-07  (Best Current Practice)
  o draft-ietf-pim-3810bis-12  (Internet Standard)
  o draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8109bis-07  (Best Current Practice)
  o draft-ietf-idr-bgp-sendholdtimer-15  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions

  o draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-09  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work-17  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-native-ip-39  (Experimental)
  o draft-ietf-teas-applicability-actn-slicing-10  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-mls-architecture-15  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-httpbis-zstd-window-size-03  (Informational)


1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE: 

  o Gunter Van de Velde to find designated experts for RFC 9650 
    (IS-IS Neighbor Link-Attribute Bit Values) [IANA #1373058] 

  o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9588 (Kerberos
    SPAKE Groups) [IANA #1373059]


IN PROGRESS: 

  o Francesca Palombini to find designated experts for  RFC 9595 
    (YANG Schema Item iDentifier (YANG SID)) [IANA #1369452].

  o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9580 (OpenPGP) 
    [IANA #1369457].

  o Orie Steele to find designated experts for  RFC 9581 (CBOR) 
    [IANA #1372387]. 
  
  o Paul Wouters to write a proposal for handling IANA review
    mailing lists.

  o Orie Steele, Francesca Palombini, Murray Kucherawy, Mahesh 
    Jethanandani, Warren Kumari to write draft of IESG statement 
    addressing issue of credit in documents & the importance of 
    capturing and addressing all comments as a necessary part of 
    the consensus process, mostly pointing at existing advice.

  o Murray Kucherawy and Eric Vyncke to create a draft IESG 
    statement about using 2119 language.

  o Murray Kucherawy to draft an IESG statement on use of 
    Internet-Drafts to meet "specification required" in IANA 
    registries.

  o Roman Danyliw to reach out Systers about the value of writing 
    recommendation letters to employers.


NEW: 

  o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9605 
    (Secure Frame)[IANA #1373060].


2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-anima-brski-ae-12  - IETF stream
   BRSKI-AE: Alternative Enrollment Protocols in BRSKI (Proposed
   Standard)
   Token: Mahesh Jethanandani

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Mahesh Jethanandani. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-15  - IETF stream
   Encapsulation For MPLS Performance Measurement with
   Alternate-Marking Method (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Jim Guichard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw, Zaheduzzaman Sarker, and 
John Scudder.*


 o draft-ietf-lamps-rfc8708bis-02  - IETF stream
   Use of the HSS/LMS Hash-Based Signature Algorithm in the
   Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Paul Wouters.*


2.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-sidrops-rrdp-desynchronization-02  - IETF stream
   Detecting RRDP Session Desynchronization (Informational)
   Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Warren Kumari. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


3.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 o draft-wkumari-rfc8110-to-ieee-02  - IETF stream
   Transferring Opportunistic Wireless Encryption to the IEEE 802.11
   Working Group (Informational)
   Token: Eric Vyncke

Warren Kumari formally recused himself from the discussion.
The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send 
an individual submission Document Action Announcement.


3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 NONE

3.4.2 Returning items

 NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 o Secure Shell Maintenance (sshm)

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review pending 
edits to the text of the charter to be provided by Deb Cooley. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate 
message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on 
the agenda for the next IESG Teleconference after the conclusion 
of external review.


4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 o Routing In Fat Trees (rift)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised 
charter. The Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with 
a separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will 
place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG Teleconference on September 19, 2024.


 o Messaging Layer Security (mls)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised 
charter pending edits to the text of the charter to be provided by 
Paul Wouters. The Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, 
with a separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will 
place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG Teleconference after 
the conclusion of external review.


4.2.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 IETF 125 (Roman Danyliw)

The management issue was discussed. Pursuant to Step 4b of the 
IETF Venue Identification and Selection Process (https://
www.ietf.org/meeting/planning/), the IESG was asked by the IETF 
LLC to decide if Shenzhen would meet the core objective in RFC 
8718 (BCP 226) of “Why We Meet”.  After consultation with the 
community via the July 2024 survey, the IESG decided in the 
affirmative – meeting in Shenzhen would satisfy that core 
objective.


6.2 [IANA #1373058] Designated experts for RFC 9650 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Chris Hopps 
<chopps@chopps.org>, Hannes Gredler <hannes@gredler.at>, and Les 
Ginsberg <ginsberg@cisco.com> as the designated experts for RFC 9650.


6.3 [IANA #1373060] Designated Experts for RFC 9605 (Secure Frame (SFrame) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item was assigned to 
Murray Kucherawy. 


6.4 IANA #1373059] Designated experts for RFC 9588 (SPAKE) (Paul Wouters)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Simo Sorce 
<simo@redhat.com> and Greg Hudson <ghudson@mit.edu> as the 
designated experts for RFC 9588 (SPAKE).


6.5 Possible IESG Statement on BCP 14 (Murray Kucherawy)

The management issue was discussed. 


7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)


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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/)
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.