Minutes interim-2024-iesg-19: Thu 14:00
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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the September 19, 2024 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Amanda Baber (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / IETF Chair, General Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Operations and Management Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Meta) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Tommy Pauly (Apple) / IAB Chair
David Schinazi (Google) / IAB Liaison
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Orie Steele (Transmute) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area

REGRETS
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Deb Cooley (Department of Homeland Security, Cybersecurity and
  Infrastructure Security Agency) / Security Area
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Nokia) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison

OBSERVERS
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Jeffry Handal
Laura Nugent
Behcet Sarikaya
Greg Wood

MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the September 5, 2024 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives after the public
announcement of the IETF 125 decision results.

The narrative minutes of the September 5, 2024 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives  after
the public announcement of the IETF 125 decision results.

1.2 Documents Approved since the September 5, 2024 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions

  o draft-ietf-lamps-rfc5019bis-12  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mpls-inband-pm-encapsulation-18  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-cose-key-thumbprint-06  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ccwg-rfc5033bis-08  (Best Current Practice)
  o draft-ietf-httpbis-compression-dictionary-19  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-cdni-https-delegation-subcerts-12  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-wkumari-rfc8110-to-ieee-02  (Informational)

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:

     o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9580 (OpenPGP)
       [IANA #1369457].

     o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9605
       (Secure Frame)[IANA #1373060].

IN PROGRESS:

     o Francesca Palombini to find designated experts for  RFC 9595
       (YANG Schema Item iDentifier (YANG SID)) [IANA #1369452].

     o Orie Steele to find designated experts for  RFC 9581 (CBOR)
       [IANA #1372387]

     o Paul Wouters to write a proposal for handling IANA review
       mailing lists.

     o Orie Steele, Francesca Palombini, Murray Kucherawy, Mahesh
       Jethanandani, Warren Kumari to write draft of IESG statement
       addressing issue of credit in documents & the importance of
       capturing and addressing all comments as a necessary part of the
       consensus process, mostly pointing at existing advice.

     o Murray Kucherawy and Eric Vyncke to create a draft IESG
       statement about using 2119 language.

     o Murray Kucherawy to draft an IESG statement on use of
       Internet-Drafts to meet "specification required" in IANA
       registries.

     o Roman Danyliw to reach out Systers about the value of writing
       recommendation letters to employers.

NEW:

     o Deb Cooley to find designated experts for draft-ietf-gnap-core-
       protocol (GNAP Grant Request Parameters) [IANA #1373603].

     o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9594 (Key
       Provisioning for Group Communication Using Authentication and
       Authorization for Constrained Environments (ACE))
       [IANA #1374729].

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-33  - IETF stream
   A YANG Data Model for Syslog Configuration (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Warren Kumari

Mahesh Jethanandani formally recused himself from the discussion. The document
was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be completed by Warren
Kumari. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action
Announcement.

 o draft-ietf-radext-tls-psk-10  - IETF stream
   RADIUS and TLS-PSK (Best Current Practice)
   Token: Paul Wouters

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Paul Wouters. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

 o draft-ietf-httpapi-deprecation-header-08  - IETF stream
   The Deprecation HTTP Header Field (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Francesca Palombini

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Francesca Palombini. The Secretariat will send a working
group submission Protocol Action Announcement.

 o draft-ietf-dtn-bpv7-admin-iana-03  - IETF stream
   Bundle Protocol Version 7 Administrative Record Types Registry
   (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Erik Kline

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Erik Kline. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

 o draft-ietf-lamps-cms-cek-hkdf-sha256-04  - IETF stream
   Encryption Key Derivation in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)
   using HKDF with SHA-256 (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Deb Cooley. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

 o draft-ietf-httpbis-unprompted-auth-11  - IETF stream
   The Concealed HTTP Authentication Scheme (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Francesca Palombini

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action
Announcement once Francesca Palombini confirms that the announcement is
ready to be sent.

2.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 o draft-daley-gendispatch-venue-requirements-03  - IETF stream
   IETF Meeting Venue Requirements Review (Best Current Practice)
   Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send an individual
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-radext-radiusv11-10  - IETF stream
   RADIUS ALPN and removing MD5 (Experimental)
   Token: Paul Wouters

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Paul Wouters. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Document Action Announcement.

 o draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-statement-41  - IETF stream
   Dynamic Networks to Hybrid Cloud DCs: Problems and Mitigation
   Practices (Informational)
   Token: Jim Guichard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by John Scudder, Gunter Van de Velde, Eric Vyncke, and Paul
Wouters.*

 o draft-ietf-mpls-mna-usecases-14  - IETF stream
   Use Cases for MPLS Network Action Indicators and MPLS Ancillary
   Data (Informational)
   Token: Jim Guichard

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Jim Guichard. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Document Action Announcement.

 o draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc7958bis-06  - IETF stream
   DNSSEC Trust Anchor Publication for the Root Zone (Informational)
   Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Warren Kumari. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Document Action Announcement.

3.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 NONE

3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 o conflict-review-tschofenig-rats-psa-token-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-tschofenig-rats-psa-token
     draft-tschofenig-rats-psa-token-23
     Arm's Platform Security Architecture (PSA) Attestation Token
   (ISE: Informational)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response
prepared by Deb Cooley.

3.4.2 Returning items

 NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 o Getting Ready for Energy-Efficient Networking (green)

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review pending edits to
the text of the charter to be provided by Mahesh Jethanandani. The
Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message
to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda
for the next IESG Teleconference after the conclusion of external review.

 o MODeration PrOceDures (modpod)

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review pending edits to
the text of the charter to be provided by Roman Danyliw. The
Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message
to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda
for the next IESG Teleconference after the conclusion of external review.

4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 o Secure Shell Maintenance (sshm)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending a final
check to be provided by Deb Cooley. The Secretariat will send a
WG Action announcement.

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval

 o Routing In Fat Trees (rift)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Eric Vyncke.*

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1373060] Designated Experts for RFC 9605 (Secure Frame (SFrame):
Lightweight Authenticated Encryption for Real-Time Media) (Murray Kucherawy)

The management item was discussed. The IESG approved Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
as primary and Emad Omara <eomara@apple.com> as secondary
designated experts for RFC 9605 (Secure Frame (SFrame): Lightweight
Authenticated Encryption for Real-Time Media).

6.2 [IANA #1369457] Designated experts for RFC 9580 (OpenPGP) [IANA #1369457]
(Paul Wouters)

The management item was discussed. The IESG approved Daniel Kahn
Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net>, Andrew Gallagher
<andrewg@andrewg.com>, and Heiko Schäfer <heiko.schaefer@posteo.de> as
the designated experts for RFC 9580 (OpenPGP).

6.3 Minuting New Participant Program Changes (Secretariat)

This item is to record for the minutes that on the informal telechat of
September 12, the IESG approved the LLC and Secretariat to move forward
with planning some expansions to the New Participant program to begin
at IETF 122, including some technical topics.

6.4 [IANA #1373603] Designated experts for draft-ietf-gnap-core-protocol
(GNAP Grant Request Parameters) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item was assigned to Deb Cooley.

6.5 [IANA #1374729] Designated experts for RFC 9594 (Key Provisioning for Group
Communication Using Authentication and Authorization for Constrained
Environments (ACE)) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item was assigned to Paul Wouters.

6.6 [IANA #1373650] renewing early allocation for draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis
(IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early
allocation for draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis.

6.7 Executive Session: IETF 125

The management issue was discussed in executive session.

6.8 Executive Session: Designated Experts

The management issue was discussed in executive session.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/)
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.