Minutes interim-2024-iesg-25: Thu 15:00
minutes-interim-2024-iesg-25-202411211500-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the November 21, 2024 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Deb Cooley (DHS CISA) / Security Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / IETF Chair, General Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Meta) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Nokia) / Web and Internet Transport Area
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Orie Steele (Transmute) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area


REGRETS
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Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Operations and Management Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Tommy Pauly (Apple) / IAB Chair
David Schinazi (Google) / IAB Liaison


OBSERVERS
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Greg Wood


MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the October 17, 2024 Teleconference were approved.
The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The minutes of the October 24, 2024 Teleconference were approved.
The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the October 17, 2024 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the October 24, 2024 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.


1.2 Documents Approved since the October 24, 2024 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions

   o draft-ietf-bess-evpn-fast-df-recovery-12  (Proposed Standard)
   o draft-ietf-rats-eat-media-type-12  (Proposed Standard)
   o draft-ietf-rats-uccs-12  (Proposed Standard)
   o draft-ietf-extra-6855bis-04  (Proposed Standard)
   o draft-ietf-jmap-calendars-22  (Proposed Standard)
   o draft-ietf-ntp-interleaved-modes-08  (Proposed Standard)
   o draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-payload-registry-05  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions

   o draft-ietf-extra-imap-messagelimit-10  (Experimental)


1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE: 

     o Erik Kline to find designated experts for RFC 9669 (BPF Instruction 
       Set Architecture (ISA)) [IANA #1394753].

     o Orie Steele, Francesca Palombini, Murray Kucherawy, Mahesh Jethanandani, 
       Warren Kumari to write draft of IESG statement addressing issue of 
       credit in documents & the importance of capturing and addressing all 
       comments as a necessary part of the consensus process, mostly 
       pointing at existing advice.


IN PROGRESS: 

     o Zahed Sarker to find designated experts for RFC 9653  (Zero 
       Checksum for the Stream Control Transmission Protocol) [IANA #1378063]. 

     o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9559 (Matroska 
       Media Container Format Specification) [IANA #1385324].

     o Murray Kucherawy and Eric Vyncke to create a draft IESG statement 
       about using 2119 language.

NEW: 

     o Gunter Van de Velde to find designated experts for RFC 9666 (Area 
       Proxy for IS-IS) [IANA #1394691].

     o Roman Danyliw to work on adding a checkbox to the meeting 
       registration system asking people to identify they are willing to 
       serve as WG chair.

     o Roman Danyliw to prepare status changes or another way forward 
       for the handful of obsoleted documents Pete Resnick emailed the 
       IESG about on 2 Nov 2024.

     o Roman Danyliw to take a look at Datatracker documentation of 
       document states and update as needed.

     o Secretariat to update non-wg list guidelines to include a link to 
       IESG Statement on Disruptive Posting and detail on list moderation.

     o IESG to decide whether we are going to collectively agree to opt in 
       to the RPC auth 48 Github experiment if authors are part of the 
       github experiment.


2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-ace-wg-coap-eap-11  - IETF stream
   EAP-based Authentication Service for CoAP (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Paul Wouters

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Murray Kucherawy, Francesca Palombini, 
Orie Steele, and Eric Vyncke.*


 o draft-ietf-lamps-header-protection-24  - IETF stream
   Header Protection for Cryptographically Protected E-mail 
   (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-optional-10  - IETF stream
   Extension for Stateful PCE to allow Optional Processing of PCE
   Communication Protocol (PCEP) Objects (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action
Announcement once Roman Danyliw confirms that the announcement is 
ready to be sent.


 o draft-ietf-nfsv4-layrec-02  - IETF stream
   Reporting of Errors via LAYOUTRETURN in NFSv4.2 (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Zaheduzzaman Sarker

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Zahed Sarker. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-cdni-capacity-insights-extensions-10  - IETF stream
   CDNI Capacity Capability Advertisement Extensions (Proposed
   Standard)
   Token: Francesca Palombini

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, John Scudder, Orie Steele, and 
Paul Wouters.*


 o draft-ietf-suit-firmware-encryption-21  - IETF stream
   Encrypted Payloads in SUIT Manifests (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*


 o draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-vendor-12  - IETF stream
   Conveying Vendor-Specific Information in the Path Computation
   Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP) extensions for Stateful
   PCE. (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action
Announcement once Roman Danyliw confirms that the announcement is 
ready to be sent.


2.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 NONE

3.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 NONE

3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 NONE

3.4.2 Returning items

 NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 o Update to IANA Considerations (ianabis)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending
the addition of chairs to be provided by Murray Kucherawy. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement.


4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 o Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll)

The IESG approved the updated charter for the working group pending
edits to the text of the charter to be provided by John Scudder. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement.


 o Source Packet Routing in Networking (spring)

The revised charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to
resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw, Éric Vyncke, Zahed Sarker, 
and Gunter Van de Velde.* 



4.2.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 IANA JSON Web Token Claims Registry (Deb Cooley)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved removing 
John Bradley <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com>, and adding Filip Skokan 
<panva.ip@gmail.com> and Nat Sakimura <nat@nat.consulting> as the 
designated experts [Leaving both Mike Jones and Brian Campbell]
for the JSON Web Token Claims Registry.


6.2 Adding DEs to the IPN Allocator registry (Erik Kline)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved adding Ed 
Birrane <edward.birrane@jhuapl.edu> and Rick Taylor 
<rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com> as the designated experts to the 
IPN Allocator registry.


6.3 [IANA #1394753] Designated experts for RFC 9669 (BPF 
    Instruction Set Architecture (ISA)) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved David Vernet 
<void@manifault.com> and Alexei Starovoitov 
<alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> as the designated experts for RFC 
9669 (BPF Instruction Set Architecture (ISA)).


6.4 [IANA #1394691] Designated experts for RFC 9666 (Area Proxy 
    for IS-IS) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item was assigned to 
Gunter Van de Velde.


6.5 IESG Statement on the "IESG approval" allocation policy [IANA 
    #1397447] (John Scudder)

The management issue was discussed. 


6.6 [IANA #1384918] renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-
    ippm-ioam-data-integrity (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the 
early allocation for draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-integrity.


6.7 [IANA #1384950] renewing early allocation for draft-ietf-bess-
    mvpn-evpn-sr-p2mp (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the 
early allocation for draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-sr-p2mp.


6.8 Important Dates for IETF 124 (Secretariat)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Important 
Dates for IETF 124. 


6.9 [IANA #1400018] Management Item: Acceptance of media type 
    registrations from Trusted Computing Group (TCG) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG asks IANA to process 
this media-type request, and to add this organization to the 
'Standards-related organizations that have registered Media Types 
in the Standards Tree.'


6.10 De-assignment IANA port based on draft-boucadair-netconf-
     port-numbers (Zahed Sarker)

The management issue was discussed. 


6.11 Next Steps on DIEM and Deepspace (Éric Vyncke)

The management issue was discussed.


6.12 Executive Session: Changes to the IANA CBOR Tags Registry 
     (Orie Steele) 

The management issue was discussed in an executive session of 
IESG, Secretariat, and IANA Liaison.


6.13 Executive Session: Appeal Discussion (Roman Danyliw)

The management issue was discussed in an executive session of IESG 
and Secretariat. 


7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)



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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/)
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.