Minutes interim-2025-iab-04: Wed 15:00
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Minutes of the 2025-02-19 IAB Business Meeting

1. Administrivia

1.1. Attendance

Present:

  Roman Danyliw (IETF Chair)
  Dhruv Dhody
  Liz Flynn (IETF Secretariat)
  Wes Hardaker
  Cullen Jennings
  Mirja Kühlewind
  Warren Kumari (Incoming IAB)
  Jason Livingood (Incoming IAB)
  Cindy Morgan (IAB Executive Administrative Manager)
  Tommy Pauly (IAB Chair)
  Colin Perkins (IRTF Chair)
  Alvaro Retana
  John Scudder (IESG Liaison)
  Sabrina Tanamal (IANA Liaison)
  Christopher Wood
  Greg Wood (IETF Director of Communications and Operations)
  Qin Wu

Regrets:

  Alissa Cooper
  Matthew Bocci
  Jana Iyengar (Incoming IAB)
  Suresh Krishnan
  Dirk Kutscher (Incoming IRTF Chair)
  David Lawrence (ICANN Board Liaison)
  Mark Nottingham (Incoming IAB)
  Ryan Polk (ISOC Liaison)
  David Schinazi


1.2. Agenda bash and announcements

1.3. Meeting Minutes

The following meeting minutes were approved:

  • 2025-02-05 business meeting - (submitted 2025-02-05)


1.4. Action Item Review

Done:
  • 2025-02-05: Cindy Morgan to add Alvaro Retana as a co-chair for IAB
    Open.
  • 2025-02-05: Liz Flynn to update the IAB Open meeting request at
    IETF 122 to have two one-hour sessions.
  • 2025-02-05: Cindy Morgan to send an e-vote to finish the ISOC BoT
    selection.
  • 2025-02-05: Cindy Morgan to update the IAB calendar to add meetings
    at 0600 PT between IETF 122 and IETF 124.
  • 2025-02-05: Cindy Morgan to follow up with the IESG about retreat
    timing.


On Hold:
  • 2024-12-18: Suresh Krishnan to try and schedule a technical
    discussion about the Tesla Transport Protocol over Ethernet
    (TTPoE).
  • 2023-06-07: Dhruv Dhody and Wes Hardaker to track adding IAB
    review of proposed WG charters to the Datatracker.
    - See https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/5849


In Progress:
  • 2025-01-22: Suresh Krishnan to draft a wiki page detailing what
    information the IAB needs from NomCom in order to confirm IESG
    candidates.


New:
  • 2025-02-19: Cindy Morgan to follow up with David Schinazi about
    kicking off the IAB Chair selection process.
  • 2025-02-19: Mirja Kühlewind to send email proposing times for the
    New Work Help Desk once the final agenda for IETF 122 is published.
  • 2025-02-19: Cindy Morgan to invite Scott Mansfield to an IAB
    meeting at IETF 122 to discuss boilerplate responses to liaison
    statements.
  • 2025-02-19: Tommy Pauly to respond to Daniel Migault's email
    regarding the RSSAC document "Guidelines for Changing IP
    Addresses."

1.5. IAB Document Status Update - No updates this week

Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/stream/iab/

I-D submission deadline for IETF 122: 2025-03-03

  • draft-iab-bias-workshop-report-02
    AUTH48: Informational
    IAB Shepherd: Suresh Krishnan

  • draft-edm-protocol-greasing-04
    Maintaining Protocols Using Grease and Variability
    I-D Exists, IAB stream
    IAB Shepherd: Not assigned

  • draft-iab-ai-control-report-00
    IAB AI-CONTROL Workshop Report
    I-D Exists, IAB stream
    IAB Shepherd: Not assigned

  • draft-iab-nemops-workshop-report-01
    Report from the IAB Workshop on the Next Era of Network Management
    Operations (NEMOPS)
    I-D Exists, IAB stream
    IAB Shepherd: Not assigned

1.6. IAB Review of WG Charters - No updates this week

Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/chartering/

  • Digital Emblems (DIEM)
    Area: INT
    Internal Review
    IESG Telechat: 2025-02-20
    IAB Shepherds: Suresh Krishnan, Mirja Kühlewind
    IAB Reviewer: Wes Hardaker

  • Update to IANA Considerations (IANABIS)
    Area: GEN
    Approved pending the naming of chairs
    IESG Telechat: (not on agenda)
    IAB Reviewer: Mirja Kühlewind

  • RESTful Provisioning Protocol (RPP)
    Area: ART
    External Review
    IESG Telechat: 2025-02-20
    IAB Reviewer: Tommy Pauly


1.7 IAB Appointments

  The ISOC Board of Trustees announcement will be released around
  2025-04-24, coordinated with other ISOC announcements. The next
  appointment process will be for the Community Coordination
  Group, which will kick off in May 2025.


2. Monthly Written Reports and Other Brief Updates

2.1 IANA Liaison Report

--Begin IANA Liaison Report, Sabrina Tanamal--

IANA Services Liaison Report – 19 February 2025

SLA Deliverables Update:

ICANN met 99% of processing goal times for the January 2025
monthly statistics report, exceeding the SLA goal to meet 90% of
processing goal times. These times include the steps that ICANN
has control over and not time it is waiting on requesters,
document authors or other experts. Monthly reports can be found at:

https://www.iana.org/performance/ietf-statistics

--End IANA Liaison Report, Sabrina Tanamal--


2.2 IRTF Chair Report

--Begin IRTF Chair Report, Colin Perkins--
IRTF Chair report to the IAB for the month ending 2025-02-19

Research Groups

The new SUSTAIN RG is chartered and will meet for the first time
in Bangkok.

ANRP

The ANRP talks for IETF 122 in Bangkok will be given by Changjie
Wang (“NetConfEval: Can LLMs Facilitate Network Configuration”)
and Henry Birge-Lee (“Tango: Secure Collaborative Route Control
across the Public Internet”). The talk schedule is confirmed for
the remainder of 2025.

ANRW

Planning for ANRW 2025 is ongoing. An initial call for papers is
available at https://www.irtf.org/anrw/2025/ with an planned paper
submission deadline of 15 April.

Documents and Errata

In RG Last Call:

draft-irtf-cfrg-aead-limits
draft-irtf-cfrg-dnhpke
draft-irtf-cfrg-aegis-aead
Waiting for IRTF Chair:

draft-fluhrer-lms-more-parm-sets
IESG Review Completed
draft-irtf-cfrg-kangarootwelve
IESG Review Completed
In IESG Review:

draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct
draft-irtf-iccrg-rledbat
draft-irtf-nmrg-green-ps
draft-irtf-coinrg-use-cases
Sent to the RFC Editor:

draft-irtf-cfrg-opaque
draft-irtf-cfrg-aead-properties
Other Activities

Applications for diversity travel grants for IETF 123, in Madrid,
have opened with a deadline of 21 March 2025. The goal of opening
travel grant applications early is to allow awardees more time to
organise visas.

IRTF Chair transition planning is underway.

--End IRTF Chair Report, Colin Perkins--


2.3 Tools Liaison Report

--Begin Tools Liaison Report, Wes Hardaker--

-email transition
  -Sirius is close to finishing the transition during Feb
  -new addresses started warming on Feb 1
  -half outbound traffic is now emitted through new machine
-datatracker heavy usage mitigations
  -Switching to Cloudflare managed challenges
  -Better caching of meeting proceedings
-file storage switching to blob storage
  -currently in testing
  -would like to switch before submission deadline for IETF-122
-new LetEncrypt cert for SMTP
  -TLSA changes also being accordingly for encrypted sessions
-Liaison management tooling
  -currently at “discussing requirements” level
  -re-implementation will start after the datatracker robustness
   changes get done
-next meeting: moving to a week earlier due to IETF traveling:
 March 4

--End Tools Liaison Report, Wes Hardaker--


2.4 IAB Outreach Coordinator Report

--Begin IAB Outreach Coordinator Report, Dhruv Dhody--

There is an outreach activity planned by the IAB this month.
-A panel at APRICOT/APNIC
  -Enhancing APAC Regional and Operator Engagement in the IETF
  -Panelist - Dhruv, Gunter, Zahed, Raj Singh (APNIC), Takashi
   Tomine (WIDE), Mohit Tahiliani (NITK); Moderated by Noelle
   (ISOC)
-Some "individuals" participated in events:
  -Suresh presented an update on the IAB NEMOPS workshop at NANOG

Some key upcoming events of importance are -
-APNIC/APRICOT (Malaysia, Feb 2025)
-ICANN 82 (Seattle, March 2025)
-NetDev0x19 (Zagreb, March 2025)
IAB NEMOPS workshop outreach
-Dhruv will be presenting at APRICOT 2025
-Alvaro will be presenting at LACNIC 43
-PC already presented in LACNIC42/NANOG92/RIPE89/AutoConn2/NANOG93.

News:
-Colin and Dirk have a webinar scheduled for LACNIC research
 community
-IGF will be held early in June 2025 in Norway, last date to make
 submission is 12th March
  -A strawman proposal for a panel circulated in IAB-ISOC group
-WSIS+20 High level events is in July 2025 in Geneva
-IAB needs to finalize if/who/how we should participate in IGF &
 WSIS+20
  -Guidance from ISOC on the best way to participate is needed

--End IAB Outreach Coordinator Report, Dhruv Dhody--

2.5 EODir Liaison Report

  Mirja Kühlewind reported that there is a full day of newcomers events
  planned for Sunday at IETF 122.


2.6 ICANN Liaison Report

--Begin ICANN Liaison Report, Dave Lawrence--

ICANN has been surprisingly quiet as it gears back up into its
regular, post-holidays workflow. "Surprisingly" because a significant
change in the US government happened shortly after the last report,
causing chaos in many sectors of society.

Members of leadership (both board and staff) who have been most deeply
involved in the federal government had been cautiously optimistic that
ICANN was not under direct thread, and took some comfort in known
Republican allies and a sense that perhaps ICANN being a private
corporation works in its favor.

As political events have unfolded, my own concern grows significantly
that anything could happen, and that the Multistakeholder Model is
more under threat now than ever, not just from the US but in other
venues. This does get discussed among the board, with regular updates
from staff about happenings at the ITU, WSIS, IGF, and the EU
Commission's public consultation on Internet Governance.

The ICANN Government Engagement team is closely tracking the
environment, though has not yet reported any direct danger.  Staff has
worked on an internal paper of the various possible threats proposed,
and the board came up with a couple of more possibilities that they
would like to see addressed.

Indirectly related, ICANN and IANA are still at odds with Russia over
the retirement of the .su ccTLD.  This action was started over 20
years ago, with an expectation that it would be removed from the root
zone within about a year of the initial announcement in 2003.  Various
interventions have kept it alive all of this time, and several years
ago ICANN spun up its process for having the ccNSO determine the
policy and its implementation.

Fast forwarding to the present, ICANN has again tried to move the ball
forward present, although still with a fairly long horizon of years
before .su would be remove.  ICANN staff has been meeting with both
NTIA and Russian representatives over the matter, and another delay in
the process has been introduced until after our Seattle meeting in
March. The political situation is tricky, and another stressor on the
overall governance system.

David has participated in the Board Workshop in Marina del Rey at the
end of January, which had a significant number of confidential
meetings with the new CEO, Kurt Lindqvist.  It is generally agreed
that Kurt has been off to a good start.

The board also reviewed the work that the new ICANN Ombuds, Liz Field,
has been doing around the anti-harassment policy and what involve the
ombuds and what doesn't.  When finalized, this could be useful for the
IETF to review for relevant applicability to our own organization.

Some conversation was begun on the possibility of a board
reorganization due to its heavy workload in operational matters.
Nothing formal is yet presented, but there does seem to be an appetite
to consider it when the current external threat situation is less
salient.

David continues to recuse himself from discussion of the Grant
Program, because of his association with the grant-seeking IETF, and
the Next Round gTLD program, because his employer is likely to seek a
toplevel domain in it.

Working groups, caucuses and committees have started their regular
cadence for the year, with David participating in the caucuses on IDN
(Internationalized Domain Name) ccTLDs and Data Protection and
Privacy, the Board Risk Committee and Board Technical Committee, and
working grounds on Anti-Harassment and on IDN Universal Acceptance.

Of these meetings, there are only two notable topics to relay.  First,
in the privacy area, there is active work on transitioning the
Registration Data Request Service (for legitimate access to non-public
registration data) out of its pilot program to being a formal service.
In IDN land, there is a lot of work being done both technically and as
outreach to prepare for potentially many more internationalized
toplevel domain names on the network, beyond the four dozen that
currently exist.

David's official addition to the board continues with three more
meetings yet to be completed over the next month to finalize the
onboarding process.

The ICANN 82 meeting will be the week of March 9th in Seattle,
immediately preceding IETF Bangkok the following week.  He will be
arriving in Bangkok on Sunday, 16 March and available until Saturday
the 22nd.

--End ICANN Liaison Report, Dave Lawrence--


3. IAB Chair Selection Process for 2025-2026

  David Schinazi has volunteered to lead the IAB chair selection
  process this year. The IAB will choose its chair at the Sunday
  meeting of IETF 122. Cindy Morgan will coordinate the details
  with David.



4. New Work Help Desk

  The IAB discussed having a New Work Help Desk during IETF 122.
  Some times have been proposed and will be confirmed after the
  final agenda is published on 2025-02-21.


5. IAB Agendas at IETF 122

  The IAB discussed potential agenda topics for its IETF 122
  meetings.


6. E-Vote: Joint Letter against UK Government Attack on Encryption

  Via e-vote, the IAB agreed to sign the "Joint Letter on the UK
  Government's use of Investigatory Powers Act to attack End-to-
  End Encryption" (https://www.globalencryption.org/2025/02/joint-
  letter-on-the-uk-governments-use-of-investigatory-powers-act-to-
  attack-end-to-end-encryption/). Tommy Pauly and Chris Wood recused
  themselves from the vote.


7. Next IAB Meeting

  The next meeting will be on 2025-02-26 and will contain the "IAB
  Onboarding and Review" presentation.

8. RSSAC Guidelines for Changing IP Addresses

  The IAB discussed email from the RSSAC liaison about the proposed
  RSSAC Guidelines for Changing IP Addresses. Tommy Pauly will respond
  to the email.