Minutes interim-2025-iesg-01: Thu 15:00
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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the January 9, 2025 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Deb Cooley (DHS CISA) / Security Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / IETF Chair, General Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Operations and Management Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Meta) / Applications and Real-Time Area 
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Tommy Pauly (Apple) / IAB Chair
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Nokia) / Web and Internet Transport Area
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Orie Steele (Transmute) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area


REGRETS
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Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director 
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Web and Internet Transport Area
David Schinazi (Google) / IAB Liaison


OBSERVERS
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Marc Blanchet
Alper Demir
Abhineet Nayyar
Andy Newton
Ketan Talaulikar


MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the December 19, 2024 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the December 19, 2024 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.


1.2 Documents Approved since the December 19, 2024 IESG Teleconference

1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-httpapi-api-catalog-08  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpws-fxc-12  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pals-ple-14  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-bier-idr-extensions-19  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-6man-snac-router-ra-flag-03  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-ietf-mpls-mna-fwk-15  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-madinas-use-cases-19  (Informational)

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:

  o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9559 (Matroska 
       Media Container Format Specification) [IANA #1385324].


IN PROGRESS:

  o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9668 
       (EDHOC Authentication Credential Types)[IANA #1401194].

  o Murray Kucherawy and Eric Vyncke to create a draft IESG statement 
       about using 2119 language.

  o Roman Danyliw to work on adding a checkbox to the meeting 
       registration system asking people to identify they are willing to 
       serve as WG chair.

  o Roman Danyliw to take a look at Datatracker documentation of 
       document states and update as needed.

  o Roman Danyliw to work with Secretariat to update non-wg list 
       guidelines webpage.

  o IESG to decide whether we are going to collectively agree to opt in 
       to the RPC auth 48 Github experiment if authors are part of the 
       github experiment.

  o Deb Cooley, Roman Danyliw, and Francesca Palombini to review 
       the ALLDISPATCH feedback.


2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5321bis-38  - IETF stream
   Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (Internet Standard)
   Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Orie Steele, Eric Vyncke, and Paul Wouters.*


 o draft-ietf-nfsv4-layoutwcc-05  - IETF stream
   Add LAYOUT_WCC to NFSv4.2's Flex File Layout Type (Proposed
   Standard)
   Token: Zaheduzzaman Sarker

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Gunter Van de Velde.*


 o draft-ietf-bfd-large-packets-14  - IETF stream
   BFD Encapsulated in Large Packets (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Eric Vyncke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Zahed Sarker.*


 o draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-oam-14  - IETF stream
   Active OAM for use in GENEVE (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Gunter Van de Velde

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Eric Vyncke.*


 o draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-44  - IETF stream
   BGP Link-State Shortest Path First (SPF) Routing (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Jim Guichard

Gunter Van de Velde formally recused himself from the discussion. 
The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by John Scudder.*


 o draft-ietf-acme-onion-05  - IETF stream
   Automated Certificate Management Environment (ACME) Extensions for
   ".onion" Special-Use Domain Names (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Eric Vyncke.*


 o draft-ietf-cbor-cddl-more-control-07  - IETF stream
   More Control Operators for CDDL (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Orie Steele

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Orie Steele. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-bfd-09  - IETF stream
   Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for Multipoint Networks
   over Point-to-Multi-Point MPLS Label Switched Path (LSP) (Proposed
   Standard)
   Token: Jim Guichard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Eric Vyncke.*


 o draft-ietf-acme-ari-07  - IETF stream
   Automated Certificate Management Environment (ACME) Renewal
   Information (ARI) Extension (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Murray Kucherawy, Eric Vyncke, and Paul Wouters.*


 o draft-ietf-jmap-webpush-vapid-09  - IETF stream
   Use of VAPID in JMAP WebPush (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Murray Kucherawy. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

 o draft-ietf-lamps-cms-sphincs-plus-17  - IETF stream
   Use of the SLH-DSA Signature Algorithm in the Cryptographic Message
   Syntax (CMS) (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Paul Wouters.*


2.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 o status-change-early-hints-to-proposed-standard-00  - IETF stream
   Status Change for RFC 8297 "An HTTP Status Code for Indicating
   Hints" to Proposed Standard. (None)
   Token: Francesca Palombini

The IESG agreed to change the status of RFC 8297 from Experimental 
to Proposed Standard. The Secretariat will send a Protocol Action 
Announcement, pending a final check to be 
completed by Francesca Palombini.


2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-pquip-pqt-hybrid-terminology-05  - IETF stream
   Terminology for Post-Quantum Traditional Hybrid Schemes
   (Informational)
   Token: Paul Wouters

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Document Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-20  - IETF stream
   Usage and Applicability of BGP Link-State Shortest Path Routing
   (BGP-SPF) in Data Centers (Informational)
   Token: Jim Guichard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by John Scudder.*


3.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 o draft-rivest-sexp-12  - IETF stream
   Simple Public Key Infrastructure (SPKI) S-Expressions
   (Informational)
   Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Orie Steele.*


3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 o conflict-review-irtf-cfrg-opaque-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-cfrg-opaque
     draft-irtf-cfrg-opaque-18
     The OPAQUE Augmented PAKE Protocol (IRTF: Informational)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The
Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that
includes a conflict review response prepared by Deb Cooley.


3.4.2 Returning items

 NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 o RESTful Provisioning Protocol (rpp)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Zahed Sarker.*  


 o Taking IP To Other Planets (tiptop)

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review pending a final check of
the text of the charter to be provided by Eric Vyncke. The Secretariat will
send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message to new-
work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda
for the next IESG Teleconference after the conclusion of external review.


4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval

 o Protocols for IP Multicast (pim)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 


5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 Designated experts for RFC 9559 (Matroska Media Container 
    Format Specification) [IANA #1385324] (Murray Kucherawy)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Dave Rice 
<dave@dericed.com> and Steve Lhomme <slhomme@matroska.org> as the 
designated experts for RFC 9559.


6.2 Executive Session: Appeal to the IESG re WGLC of draft-ietf-
    lsr-multi-tlv

The management issue was discussed in an executive session with 
IESG and Secretariat present. Observers and liaisons dropped from 
the call.


6.3 Executive Session: Appeal regarding threat on the TLS Mailing List

The management issue was discussed in an executive session with 
IESG and Secretariat present. Deb Cooley and Paul Wouters recused 
themselves from the discussion and left the call for this portion. 


7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.