Minutes interim-2025-iesg-03: Thu 15:00
minutes-interim-2025-iesg-03-202502061500-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the February 6, 2025 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat


ATTENDEES
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Mike Bishop (Akamai)/ Incoming Web and Internet Transport Area
Mohamed Boucadair (Orange) / Incoming Operations and Management Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Deb Cooley (DHS CISA) / Security Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / IETF Chair, General Area
Gorry Fairhurst (Univ. of Aberdeen) / Incoming Web and Internet Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Operations and Management Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Meta) / Applications and Real-Time Area 
Jean Mahoney (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Andy Newton (ICANN) / Incoming Applications and Real-Time Area
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Tommy Pauly (Apple) / IAB Chair
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Nokia) / Web and Internet Transport Area
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Orie Steele (mesur.io) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Ketan Talaulikar (Cisco) / Incoming Routing Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area


REGRETS
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Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director 
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
David Schinazi (Google) / IAB Liaison


OBSERVERS
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Antony Antony
Marc Blanchet
Francois Clad
Nick Doty
Sandy Ginoza
Tommy Jensen
Felix Linker
Ronald in't Velt
Mauro Vignati
Greg Wood


MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the January 23, 2025 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the January 23, 2025 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.


1.2 Documents Approved since the January 23, 2025 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions

  o draft-ietf-lamps-rfc4210bis-18  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pce-pcep-yang-30  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-51  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-cdni-capacity-insights-extensions-12  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions

  o draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-22  (Informational)


1.3 Review of Action Items

IN PROGRESS: 

  o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9668 
    (EDHOC Authentication Credential Types)[IANA #1401194].
  o Murray Kucherawy and Éric Vyncke to create a draft IESG statement 
    about using 2119 language.

  o Roman Danyliw to work on adding a checkbox to the meeting 
    registration system asking people to identify they are willing to 
    serve as WG chair.

  o Roman Danyliw to take a look at Datatracker documentation of 
    document states and update as needed.

  o IESG to decide whether we are going to collectively agree to opt in 
    to the RPC auth 48 Github experiment if authors are part of the 
    github experiment.


NEW: 
  o Erik Kline to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-ntp-update-registries
    (Updating the NTP Registries)[IANA #1412130].


2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control-17  - IETF stream
   Dynamic Link Exchange Protocol (DLEP) Credit-Based Flow Control
   Messages and Data Items (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Jim Guichard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Deb Cooley.*


 o draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification-13  - IETF stream
   Dynamic Link Exchange Protocol (DLEP) Traffic Classification Data
   Item (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Jim Guichard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Deb Cooley, Roman Danyliw, Mahesh Jethanandani, 
Murray Kucherawy, and Paul Wouters.*


 o draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension-20  - IETF stream
   DLEP DiffServ Aware Credit Window Extension (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Jim Guichard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Mahesh Jethanandani.*


 o draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension-08  - IETF stream
   DLEP IEEE 802.1Q Aware Credit Window Extension (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Jim Guichard
   
The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Jim Guichard. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.



 o draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-23  - IETF stream
   Compressed SRv6 Segment List Encoding (CSID) (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Gunter Van de Velde
  
Jim Guichard formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be completed 
by Gunter Van de Velde. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.



 o draft-ietf-idr-sr-policy-safi-13  - IETF stream
   Advertising Segment Routing Policies in BGP (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Roman Danyliw
 
The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.



 o draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-bw-con-20  - IETF stream
   Flexible Algorithms: Bandwidth, Delay, Metrics and Constraints
   (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Gunter Van de Velde

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Mahesh Jethanandani.*


 o draft-ietf-bess-evpn-redundant-mcast-source-14  - IETF stream
   Multicast Source Redundancy in EVPN Networks (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Gunter Van de Velde
  
The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Gunter Van de Velde. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-38  - IETF stream
   Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting, and Conformance
   (DMARC) (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*


 o draft-ietf-ipsecme-g-ikev2-20  - IETF stream
   Group Key Management using IKEv2 (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Deb Cooley
 
The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Paul Wouters.*


 o draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-rename-esn-03  - IETF stream
   Renaming Extended Sequence Number (ESN) Transform Type in the
   Internet Key Exchange Protocol Version 2 (IKEv2) (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Deb Cooley confirms that the announcement 
is ready to be sent.



2.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 o status-change-ntpv2-ntpv3-to-historic-01  - IETF stream
   Status Change of NTPv2 and NTPv3 to Historic (None)
   Token: Erik Kline

The IESG agreed to change the status of RFC 1119 from Internet Standard 
to Historic and RFC 1305 from Draft Standard to Historic. The Secretariat 
will send Protocol Action Announcements.

2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 NONE

3.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 NONE

3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 o conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-green-ps-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-green-ps
     draft-irtf-nmrg-green-ps-04
     Challenges and Opportunities in Management for Green Networking
   (IRTF: Informational)
   Token: Mahesh Jethanandani

The conflict review was deferred to the next teleconference (2025-02-20) 
by Paul Wouters.


 o conflict-review-irtf-cfrg-kangarootwelve-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-cfrg-kangarootwelve
     draft-irtf-cfrg-kangarootwelve-16
     KangarooTwelve and TurboSHAKE (IRTF: Informational)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The
Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that
includes a conflict review response prepared by Deb Cooley.


3.4.2 Returning items

 NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 o Domain Keys Identified Mail (dkim)

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message 
to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda 
for the next IESG Teleconference on 2025-02-20.


 o RESTful Provisioning Protocol (rpp)

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message 
to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda 
for the next IESG Teleconference on 2025-02-20.


 o Digital Emblems (diem)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Paul Wouters.*  


4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 o Taking IP To Other Planets (tiptop)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending
the addition of chairs to be provided by Eric Vyncke. The Secretariat 
will send a WG Action announcement.


 o Heuristics and Algorithms to Prioritize Protocol deploYment (happy)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending
the addition of chairs to be provided by Zahed Sarker. The Secretariat 
will send a WG Action announcement.


4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval

 o IP Security Maintenance and Extensions (ipsecme)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 


 o Link State Vector Routing (lsvr)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 



5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 Final BoF Approvals for IETF 122 (All)

The management issue was discussed. See the minutes of 
the IETF 122 BOF Call meeting for details. 


6.2 [IANA #1412130] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-ntp-
update-registries (Updating the NTP Registries)

The management issue was discussed. An action item was 
assigned to Erik Kline.


6.3 IANABIS Scheduling at IETF 122 (Murray)

The management issue was discussed.


6.4 Retreat Logistics (Cindy)

The management issue was discussed. 


7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)


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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.