Minutes interim-2025-iesg-06: Thu 14:00
minutes-interim-2025-iesg-06-202504031400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the April 3, 2025 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat


ATTENDEES
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Amanda Baber (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Matthew Bocci (Nokia) / IAB Liaison
Mohamed Boucadair (Orange) / Operations and Management Area
Deb Cooley (DHS CISA) / Security Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / IETF Chair, General Area
Gorry Fairhurst (Univ. of Aberdeen) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Operations and Management Area
Jean Mahoney (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Andy Newton (ICANN) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Orie Steele (mesur.io) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Ketan Talaulikar (Cisco) / Routing Area
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area


REGRETS
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Mike Bishop (Akamai) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area 
Tommy Pauly (Apple) / IAB Chair
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area



OBSERVERS
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Sandy Ginoza
Greg Wood


MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the March 6, 2025 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the March 6, 2025 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The minutes of the IETF 122 BOF Coordination Call were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.


1.2 Documents Approved since the March 6, 2025 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions

  o draft-ietf-tsvwg-udp-options-dplpmtud-15  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-12  (Internet Standard)
  o draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5321bis-42  (Internet Standard)
  o draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-40  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-32  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-asdf-sdf-23  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-tcpm-accurate-ecn-34  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-dnsop-generalized-notify-09  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-tsvwg-udp-options-45  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-40  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-roll-rnfd-07  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-set-18  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-sr-policy-17  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions

  o draft-ietf-idr-bgp-car-16  (Experimental)


1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:

  o Murray Kucherawy and Éric Vyncke to create a draft IESG 
    statement about using 2119 language.

  o Murray Kucherawy and Roman Danyliw to find another chair 
    for the IANABIS WG.

  o Mahesh Jethanandani to find designated experts for RFC 9740
     [IANA #1414246].


ON HOLD:

  o IESG to decide whether we are going to collectively agree to 
    opt in to the RPC auth 48 Github experiment if authors are 
    part of the github experiment.


IN PROGRESS:

  o Erik Kline to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-ntp-update-
    registries (Updating the NTP Registries) [IANA #1412130].

  o Roman Danyliw to work on adding a checkbox to the meeting 
    registration system asking people to identify they are willing 
    to serve as WG chair.

  o Roman Danyliw to take a look at Datatracker documentation of 
    document states and update as needed.


NEW:

  o  Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9678 (Forward 
    Secrecy Extension to the Improved Extensible Authentication 
    Protocol Method for Authentication and Key Agreement (EAP-AKA' FS)) 
    [IANA #1414422].

  o  Mike Bishop to find designated experts for RFC 9725 (WebRTC-HTTP 
    Ingestion Protocol (WHIP)) [IANA #1415864].

  o  Orie Steele to find designated experts to replace Graham Klyne in 
    the Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) Schemes and Permanent Message 
    Header Field Names, Provisional Message Header Field Names 
    registries [IANA #1357864].



2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-policy-cp-26  - IETF stream
   Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) 
   Extensions for Segment Routing (SR) Policy Candidate Paths 
   (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Roman Danyliw confirms that the announcement is 
ready to be sent.


 o draft-ietf-netmod-acl-extensions-16  - IETF stream
   Extensions to the Access Control Lists (ACLs) YANG Model 
   (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Mahesh Jethanandani

Mohamed Boucadair formally recused himself from the discussion. 
The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw.*


 o draft-ietf-tls-tls12-frozen-07  - IETF stream
   TLS 1.2 is in Feature Freeze (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Paul Wouters

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Paul Wouters. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-prefix-extended-flags-06  - IETF stream
   Prefix Flag Extension for OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Gunter Van de Velde

Ketan Talaulikar formally recused himself from the discussion. The 
document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Gunter Van de Velde confirms that the 
announcement is ready to be sent.


 o draft-ietf-lamps-automation-keyusages-06  - IETF stream
   X.509 Certificate Extended Key Usage (EKU) for Automation 
   (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair and Paul Wouters.*


 o draft-ietf-ospf-sr-yang-41  - IETF stream
   A YANG Data Model for OSPF Segment Routing over the MPLS Data 
   Plane (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Gunter Van de Velde

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair.*


 o draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang-26  - IETF stream
   A YANG Data Model for IS-IS Segment Routing for the MPLS Data 
   Plane (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Gunter Van de Velde

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair.*


2.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-raw-technologies-16  - IETF stream
   Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) Technologies (Informational)
   Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Document Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-teas-5g-ns-ip-mpls-18  - IETF stream
   A Realization of Network Slices for 5G Networks Using Current
   IP/MPLS Technologies (Informational)
   Token: Jim Guichard

Mohamed Boucadair formally recused himself from the discussion. 
The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Document Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-lamps-rfc9579bis-05  - IETF stream
   Use of Password-Based Message Authentication Code 1 (PBMAC1) in
   PKCS #12 Syntax (Informational)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair.*


3.1.2 Returning items

 o draft-ietf-pim-mofrr-tilfa-12  - IETF stream
   Multicast-only Fast Reroute Based on Topology Independent Loop-
   free Alternate (TI-LFA) Fast Reroute (Informational)
   Token: Gunter Van de Velde

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Gunter Van de Velde. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Document Action Announcement.


3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 NONE

3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 NONE

3.4.2 Returning items

 o conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-green-ps-02
   IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-green-ps
     draft-irtf-nmrg-green-ps-06
     Challenges and Opportunities in Management for Green 
     Networking (IRTF: Informational)
   Token: Mahesh Jethanandani

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. 
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the 
IRSG that includes a conflict review response prepared by Mahesh 
Jethanandani.


4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 o IOT Operations (iotops)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Paul Wouters.*  


4.2.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1414422] Designated experts for RFC 9678 (Forward 
    Secrecy Extension to the Improved Extensible Authentication 
    Protocol Method for Authentication and Key Agreement (EAP-AKA' 
    FS)) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed.  An action item was assigned 
to Paul Wouters.

6.2 Replace designated expert for RDAP protocol registries (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the 
replacement of Andy Newton with Jasdip Singh <jasdips@arin.net> as 
the designated expert for RDAP protocol registries.


6.3 [IANA #1414925] Designated Expert replacement for Bernard 
    Aboba (Paul Wouters)

The management issue was discussed.  The IESG approved Alan DeKok 
<aland@deployingradius.com> and Margaret Cullen 
<margaret@painless-security.com> as replacement designated experts 
for Bernard Aboba on RADIUS-related registries.


6.4 [IANA #1414693] renewing early allocation for RFC 8111 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. This issue will be placed back 
on the next telechat agenda for further discussion.


6.5 [IANA #1414695] renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-pce-
    multipath (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the 
early allocations for draft-ietf-pce-multipath.


6.6 IESG-focused Datatracker Feature Requests (Roman Danyliw)

The management issue was discussed.


6.7 [IANA #1415864] Designated experts for RFC 9725 (WebRTC-HTTP 
    Ingestion Protocol (WHIP)) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed.  An action item was assigned 
to Mike Bishop.


6.8 [IANA #1357864] Designated expert replacement for Graham Klyne 
    (IANA)

The management issue was discussed.  An action item was assigned 
to Orie Steele.


6.9 [IANA #1414246] Designated experts for RFC 9740 (New IPFIX 
    Information Elements for TCP Options and IPv6 Extension 
    Headers) (Mahesh Jethanandani)

The management issue was discussed.  The IESG approved Paul Aitken 
<paitken@ciena.com> and Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com> as the 
designated experts for RFC 9740.


7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)


8. Executive Session (Roman Danyliw)

A management issue was discussed in an executive session of IESG, 
IAB Liaison, and Secretariat.



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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.