Minutes interim-2025-iesg-10: Thu 14:00
minutes-interim-2025-iesg-10-202505081400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the May 8, 2025 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat


ATTENDEES
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Mike Bishop (Akamai) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Matthew Bocci (Nokia) / IAB Liaison
Deb Cooley (DHS CISA) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Operations and Management Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Andy Newton (ICANN) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Tommy Pauly (Apple) / IAB Chair
Orie Steele (mesur.io) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Ketan Talaulikar (Cisco) / Routing Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area

REGRETS
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Mohamed Boucadair (Orange) / Operations and Management Area
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director 
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / IETF Chair, General Area
Gorry Fairhurst (Univ. of Aberdeen) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Jean Mahoney (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 


OBSERVERS
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Sandy Ginoza
Bob Hinden
Tommy Jensen
Felix Linker
Francesca Palombini
Eric Rescorla
Stefan Santesson
Ben Schwartz
Greg Wood


MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the April 17, 2025 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the April 17, 2025 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The minutes of the April 24, 2025 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the April 24, 2025 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.


1.2 Documents Approved since the April 24, 2025 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions

  o draft-ietf-ospf-sr-yang-49  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-isis-sr-yang-31  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5321bis-43  (Internet Standard)
  o draft-ietf-lsr-multi-tlv-18  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-netmod-acl-extensions-17  (Proposed Standard)


1.2.2 Document Actions

  o draft-ietf-lamps-rfc9579bis-06  (Informational)



1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:

  o Jim Guichard to find designated experts for RFC 9692 (Routing in 
     Fat Trees (RIFT) registries) [IANA #1416539].


IN PROGRESS:

  o Erik Kline to find designated experts for
    RFC-ietf-ntp-update-registries
   (Updating the NTP Registries)[IANA #1412130].

  o Mike Bishop to find designated experts for RFC 9725 (WebRTC-HTTP 
     Ingestion Protocol (WHIP)) [IANA #1415864].

  o Mahesh Jethanandani and Paul Wouters to find designated experts 
     for RFC 9761 (Manufacturer Usage Description (MUD) for TLS and 
     DTLS Profiles for Internet of Things (IoT) Devices)[IANA #1417446].

  o Roman Danyliw to take a look at Datatracker documentation of 
     document states and update as needed.

  o Cindy Morgan, Andy Newton, Ketan Talaulikar, and Paul Wouters 
     to work on a proposal for submitting appeals via the Datatracker.


NEW:

  o Deb Cooley to find designated experts for RFC 9711 (The Entity 
     Attestation Token (EAT)) [IANA #1418116].

  o Deb Cooley to find designated experts for RFC 9728 (OAuth 2.0 
     Protected Resource Metadata) [IANA #1417718].

  o Andy Newton to find designated experts for RFC 5774 (PIDF-LO
     Civic Address Considerations Registry) [IANA #1418282].



2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
    
  o draft-ietf-stir-servprovider-oob-07  - IETF stream
    Out-of-Band STIR for Service Providers (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Orie Steele

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Orie Steele confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.



  o draft-ietf-stir-rfc4916-update-06  - IETF stream
    Connected Identity for STIR (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Orie Steele

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair.*


  o draft-ietf-tls-esni-24  - IETF stream
    TLS Encrypted Client Hello (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Paul Wouters

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair.*


  o draft-ietf-tls-svcb-ech-07  - IETF stream
    Bootstrapping TLS Encrypted ClientHello with DNS Service Bindings
    (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Paul Wouters

Mike Bishop recused himself from the discussion. The document remains 
under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by 
Mohamed Boucadair.*


  o draft-ietf-dhc-rfc8415bis-10  - IETF stream
    Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol for IPv6 (DHCPv6) (Internet
    Standard)
    Token: Eric Vyncke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair.*


  o draft-ietf-jose-fully-specified-algorithms-12  - IETF stream
    Fully-Specified Algorithms for JOSE and COSE (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Deb Cooley

Orie Steele recused himself from the discussion. The document remains 
under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Paul 
Wouters.*


  o draft-ietf-cose-tsa-tst-header-parameter-05  - IETF stream
    COSE Header parameter for RFC 3161 Time-Stamp Tokens (Proposed
    Standard)
    Token: Paul Wouters

The document will be returned to the Working Group.


  o draft-ietf-calext-ical-tasks-13  - IETF stream
    Task Extensions to iCalendar (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Orie Steele

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw, Ketan Talaulikar, and Paul
Wouters.*


  o draft-ietf-regext-epp-eai-24  - IETF stream
    Additional Email Address Extension for the Extensible Provisioning
    Protocol (EPP) (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Orie Steele

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw.*


  o draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030-csrattrs-21  - IETF stream
    Clarification and enhancement of RFC7030 CSR Attributes definition
    (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Deb Cooley

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair.*


  o draft-ietf-bess-bgp-srv6-args-09  - IETF stream
    Segment Routing over IPv6 Argument Signaling for BGP Services
    (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Gunter Van de Velde

Ketan Talaulikar recused himself from the discussion. The document 
was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The Secretariat will 
send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement once Gunter 
Van de Velde confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent.


  o draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-groups-05  - IETF stream
    HTTP Cache Groups (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Mike Bishop

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Mike Bishop confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.


  o draft-ietf-core-cf-reg-update-08  - IETF stream
    Update to the IANA CoAP Content-Formats Registration Procedures
    (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Mike Bishop

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Ketan Talaulikar and Paul Wouters.*


  o draft-ietf-sipcore-siprec-fix-mediatype-06  - IETF stream
    Updates to SIPREC correcting Metadata Media Type (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Andy Newton

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Andy Newton confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.


2.1.2 Returning items

  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

  NONE

3.1.2 Returning items

  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items

  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

  NONE

3.4.2 Returning items

  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

  o Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance (dmarc)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Eric Vyncke.* 


  o Digital Emblems (diem)

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate 
message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on 
the agenda for the next IESG Teleconference on 2025-05-22.


4.1.2 Proposed for approval

  o HPKE Publication, Kept Efficient (hpke)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement. 



4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval

  o Global Routing Operations (grow)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group 
pending a final check to be provided by Mohamed Boucadair. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement.


  o Operations and Management Area Working Group (opsawg)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 


  o Update to IANA Considerations (ianabis)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group 
pending a final check to be provided by Roman Danyliw. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement.


5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1416539] Designated experts for RFC 9692 (RIFT: Routing in
    Fat Trees) (Jim Guichard)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Pascal Thubert
<pascal.thubert@gmail.com> and Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com> as
the designated experts for RFC 9692.


6.2 [IANA #1417718] Designated Experts for RFC 9728 (OAuth 2.0 Protected
    Resource Metadata) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item was assigned to Deb
Cooley.


6.3 Additional Designated Expert for SCIM Registries (Deb Cooley)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Paulo Jorge N.
Correia <paucorre@cisco.com> as an additional designated expert for the
SCIM registries.


6.4 Request for Prioritization of C482 in the RFC Editor Queue (Andy
    Newton)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG requests 
expedited processing of C482 in the RFC Editor Queue.


6.5 [IANA #1418282] Designated experts for PIDF-LO Civic Address
    Considerations Registry (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item was assigned to Andy
Newton.


6.6 [IANA #1418116] Designated experts for RFC 9711 (The Entity
    Attestation Token (EAT)) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item was assigned to Deb
Cooley.


6.7 RSWG Chair Appointment (Secretariat)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG re-appointed the incumbent
Russ Housley to the RSWG.


7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)


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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.