Minutes interim-2025-iesg-21: Thu 14:00
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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the October 23, 2025 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat


ATTENDEES
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Mike Bishop (Akamai) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Matthew Bocci (Nokia) / IAB Liaison
Mohamed Boucadair (Orange) / Operations and Management Area
Morgan Condie (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Deb Cooley (Independent) / Security Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / IETF Chair, General Area
Gorry Fairhurst (Univ. of Aberdeen) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Operations and Management Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Jean Mahoney (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Andy Newton (ICANN) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Tommy Pauly (Apple) / IAB Chair
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Routing Area
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area


REGRETS
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Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director 
Orie Steele (mesur.io) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Ketan Talaulikar (Cisco) / Routing Area

GUEST
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Eliot Lear / Independent Submissions Editor (ISE)


OBSERVERS
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Donald Eastlake
Sandy Ginoza
Karen O'Donoghue
Nicola Rustignoli
Greg Wood


MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the October 9, 2025 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the October 9, 2025 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.


1.2 Documents Approved since the October 9, 2025 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions

  o draft-ietf-scim-events-14  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc9093-bis-18  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pce-sid-algo-29  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-cose-dilithium-10  (Proposed Standard)


1.2.2 Document Actions

  o draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-sr-vtn-mt-14  (Informational)


1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:

  o Roman Danyliw to check with the Trust about whether the IESG
    Statement on Copyright is overtaken by RFC8721 Section 4.3.

  o Med Boucadair and Mahesh Jethanandani to review "IESG Statement on
    Proposed Status for IETF Documents Reserving Resources for Example
    Purposes" and propose what needs to be updated.

  o Deb Cooley to work with Greg Wood on guidance for WG Chairs about
    how to use the Note Well.


IN PROGRESS:

  o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9770 (Notification
    of Revoked Access Tokens in the Authentication and Authorization
    for Constrained Environments (ACE) Framework) [IANA #1421561].

  o Roman Danyliw to take a look at Datatracker documentation of
    document states and update as needed.

  o Mahesh Jethanandani and Ketan Talaulikar to work with Dhruv Dhody
    and Suresh Krishnan to look into potential retreat locations in
    Asia.

  o Roman Danyliw and Mahesh Jethanandani to draft update to "Guidance
    on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents" statement.

  o Andy Newton and Roman Danyliw to work on re-chartering dispatch to
    cover multiple areas.

  o Ketan Talaulikar, Mahesh Jethanandani, and Roman Danyliw to work on
    an announcement regarding Datatracker state change for WG adoption.


2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-suit-report-16  - IETF stream
   Secure Reporting of SUIT Update Status (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Ketan Talaulikar and Éric Vyncke.*


 o draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm-27  - IETF stream
   Group Object Security for Constrained RESTful Environments (Group
   OSCORE) (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Mike Bishop

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Mike Bishop confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.


 o draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-sr-p2mp-15  - IETF stream
   Multicast and Ethernet VPN with Segment Routing P2MP and Ingress
   Replication (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Gunter Van de Velde

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair, Erik Kline, Ketan
Talaulikar, and Éric Vyncke.*


 o draft-ietf-idr-link-bandwidth-19  - IETF stream
   BGP Link Bandwidth Extended Community (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Ketan Talaulikar

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair, Jim Guichard, Gunter Van de
Velde, and Éric Vyncke.*


 o draft-ietf-ntp-over-ptp-06  - IETF stream
   NTP Over PTP (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Erik Kline

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw.*


 o draft-ietf-cose-hash-envelope-09  - IETF stream
   COSE Hash Envelope (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Paul Wouters

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Paul Wouters. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-tls-tls13-pkcs1-06  - IETF stream
   Legacy RSASSA-PKCS1-v1_5 codepoints for TLS 1.3 (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Paul Wouters

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair.*


2.1.2 Returning items

 o draft-ietf-asap-sip-auto-peer-35  - IETF stream
   Automatic Peering for SIP Trunks (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Andy Newton

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mike Bishop, Mohamed Boucadair, and Mahesh
Jethanandani.*


2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-opsawg-pcaplinktype-13  - IETF stream
   Link-Layer Types for PCAP-related Capture File Formats
   (Informational)
   Token: Mahesh Jethanandani

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw and Ketan Talaulikar.*


 o draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-19  - IETF stream
   Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) Requirements for
   Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) Layer (Informational)
   Token: Gunter Van de Velde

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair, Deb Cooley, and Ketan
Talaulikar.*


3.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 NONE

3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 NONE

3.4.2 Returning items

 NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 o Web Bot Auth (webbotauth)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending
an edit to the text of the charter to be provided by Mike Bishop. The
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement.


 o Open Cloud Mesh (ocm)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending
a final check to be provided by Andy Newton. The Secretariat 
will send a WG Action announcement.


4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval

 o IPv6 Operations (v6ops)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 


5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1433997] renewing early allocation for
draft-ietf-pce-sr-bidir-path

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewal of the
early allocation for draft-ietf-pce-sr-bidir-path.


6.2 Note Well

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved new text for the
Note Well.


6.3 DCONN session request 

The management issue was discussed. 


6.4 [IANA #1433996] renewing early allocations for
draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-integrity 

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewal of the
early allocations for draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-integrity.


6.5 DRIP Videos 

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved trimming of a WG
session video that had accidentally captured a private conversation
after the session had concluded.


6.6 YANG versioning and Semver, and its possible impact (Mahesh
Jethanandani)

The management issue was discussed. 



6.7 ISE discussion of SCION

The management issue was discussed. Eliot Lear discussed some upcoming
ISE work.


7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)


8.  Executive Session: Appeals

The management issue was discussed in an executive session with IESG,
IAB Chair, and Secretariat present. Paul Wouters recused himself from
the discussion and left the call.



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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.