IETF/IEEE 802 Coordination Meeting, 2025-10-03

1. Welcome, roll call, agenda bashing

Present

Cindy Morgan
Deb Cooley
Donald Eastlake
Éric Vyncke
Erik Kline
Glenn Parsons
János Farkas
Jon Rosdahl
Juan Carlos Zuniga
Ketan Talaulikar
Mahesh Jethanandani
Morgan Condie
Paul Wouters
Peter Yee
Robert Stacey
Russ Housley

2. Action item updates

NONE

3. IETF New Work summary

https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bofs/

Web Bot Auth (webbotauth) - Web and Internet Transport Area

This BOF is a placeholder for a Working Group that is expected to be
chartered before IETF 124. The Web Bot Authentication (webbotauth)
Working Group will standardize methods for cryptographically
authenticating automated clients and providing additional information
about their operators to Web sites. Its products are intended for use by
sites that primarily serve human users.

PKI, Logs, And Tree Signatures (plants) - Security Area

This BOF will discuss chartering a Working Group to address the impact
of large post-quantum signatures on PKIs with Certificate Transparency
(CT; RFC 6962 and RFC 9162), when used in interactive protocols like TLS
(RFC 8446).

Authenticated Transfer (atp) - Applications and Real-Time Area

Authenticated Transfer (AT) is a collection of protocol components which
together provide a generic framework for interoperable social web
applications, using self-certifying network data. This BoF is to discuss
developing a narrowly-defined subset of protocol components within the
IETF for AT: the public repository data structure, wire serialization
format, and public synchronization mechanism.

4. 802 New Work summary

https://ieee802.org/PARs.shtml

P802.3dt - Amendment - Ethernet Metadata Services, PAR and CSD

The scope of the project is the specification of additions and
modifications to IEEE Std 802.3 to support the optional exchange of
metadata in Ethernet packets, or independent of Ethernet packets by
Ethernet Physical layers that operate at MAC data rates of 50 Gb/s and
above.

P802.1CBec - Amendment to IEEE Standard 802.1CB-2017

This amendment changes the title to "IEEE Standard for Local and
metropolitan area networks--Frame Replication and Elimination for
Reliability Amendment: Sequence Recovery Function Refinements and
Parameter Configuration."

This amendment refines the sequence recovery function and adds an
informative annex describing recommended values for the sequence
recovery function parameters, and provides guidance regarding frame
buffering in relay and end systems to assist in the usage of Frame
Replication and Elimination for Reliability. This amendment also
includes technical and editorial corrections in the description of
existing IEEE Std 802.1CB functionality.

P802.1AEef - Amendment to IEEE Standard 802.1AE-2018

This amendment specifies optional use of the Ascon-AEAD128 authenticated
encryption with associated data scheme, as specified in NIST SP 800-232,
as a MACsec (Media Access Control security) Cipher Suite.

P802.1AReg - Amendment to IEEE Standard 802.1AR-2018

This amendment to IEEE Std 802.1AR-2018 provides unique per-device
identifiers (DevIDs) and their management, utilizing cryptographic
binding based on Module-Lattice-Based Digital Signatures (ML-DSA). The
amendment will include support for DevIDs bound by the three algorithms
ML-DSA-87, ML-DSA-65, and ML-DSA-44. In addition, the amendment will
provide necessary changes to IEEE Std 802.1AR-2018 management modules
for support of the ML-DSA algorithms.

P802.1Qee - Amendment to IEEE Standard 802.1Q-2022

This amendment specifies procedures and YANG data models to extend
bridge attributes for traffic engineering for bridged networks that
include wireless technologies whose delay variance is beyond that of
point-to-point wireline MAC technologies. Additionally, this amendment
addresses technical and editorial corrections to existing IEEE Std
802.1Q functionality.

P802.11bi - Amendment to IEEE Standard 802.11-2020

This amendment specifies modifications to the IEEE Std 802.11 medium
access control (MAC) specification to specify new mechanisms that
address and improve user privacy.

5. Review current coordination items

Potential Areas for IETF/IEEE802 Coordination, v48

Item 25. Layer 2/Layer 3 Interaction for Time-Sensitive Traffic

János Farkas provided the following updates via email:

IETF DetNet:

• The following drafts are in the RFC Ed Queue:

  • Deterministic Networking (DetNet) Controller Plane Framework
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-controller-plane-framework/
  • Reliable and Available Wireless Architecture
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-raw-architecture/

• We are move forward with the adoption process for enhanced data
  plane queuing solutions:

IEEE 802.1 TSN:

• Recently became Approved Draft Standard:
  • P802.1AXdz – YANG for Link Aggregation
    (https://1.ieee802.org/tsn/802-1axdz/,
    https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/802.1AXdz/11527/)
  • IEEE 802.1DP / SAE AS 6675 – TSN for Aerospace Onboard Ethernet
    Communications (https://1.ieee802.org/tsn/802-1dp/,
    https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/802.1DP/10465/)

Technically done, ready for IEEE RevCom approval and getting to IEC FDIS
ballot (final one):

• IEC/IEEE 60802 TSN Profile for Industrial Automation
  (https://1.ieee802.org/tsn/iec-ieee-60802/)

The following projects will have RevCom motion at the November 802
Plenary:

• P802.1ASed – Fault-Tolerant Timing with Time Integrity
  (https://1.ieee802.org/tsn/802-1ased/)
• P802.1AS-2020-Rev Timing and Synchronization for Time-Sensitive
  Applications (https://1.ieee802.org/maintenance/802-1as-2020-rev/,
  editorial roll-up, run in the Maintenance TG)

The following projects are at Working Group ballot:

• P802.1Qdq – Shaper Parameter Settings for Bursty Traffic Requiring
  Bounded Latency (https://1.ieee802.org/tsn/802-1qdq/)
• P802.1ASds – Support for half-duplex 802.3 MAC
  (https://1.ieee802.org/tsn/802-1asds/)

The following projects are at Task Group ballot:

• P802.1DU – Cut-Through Forwarding Bridges and Bridged Networks
  (https://1.ieee802.org/tsn/802-1du/)
• P802.1Qdv – Enhancements to Cyclic Queuing and Forwarding
  (https://1.ieee802.org/tsn/802-1qdv/)
• P802.1CBec – Guidance for Sequence Recovery Function Parameter
  Configuration (https://1.ieee802.org/tsn/802-1cbec/)

The following projects are with the Editor, in prep for Task Group
ballot:

• P802.1DD – Resource Allocation Protocol
  (https://1.ieee802.org/tsn/802-1dd/
• P802.1Qdt – Priority-based Flow Control Enhancements
  (https://1.ieee802.org/tsn/802-1qdt/)
• P802.1ASeb – Optional Use of Announce
  (https://1.ieee802.org/tsn/802-1aseb/)

PAR modification pre-circulated for the November 802 Plenary:

• P802.1CBec – Guidance for Sequence Recovery Function Refinements and
  Parameter Configuration
  (https://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2025/ec-draft-PAR-modification-0925-v01.pdf,
  https://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2025/ec-draft-CSD-modification-0925-v01.pdf)

Item 27. Development of YANG models in the IEEE 802

In Madrid, the following solution was proposed to resolve the
incompatibility between the string format used to represent MAC
addresses in YANG modules between the IETF and the IEEE:

This works to support upper and lower case and either all ":" or all
"-". The pattern prohibits a mix of ":" and "-" in the same string.

typedef mac-address {
type string {
pattern
"([0-9a-fA-F]{2}(:[0-9a-fA-F]{2}){5})|([0-9a-fA-F]{2}(-[0-9a-fA-F]{2}){5})";

}
description
"The mac-address type represents a MAC address in the canonical
format
and hexadecimal format specified by IEEE Std 802. The hexadecimal
representation uses uppercase characters.";
reference
"3.1, 8.1 of IEEE Std 802";
}

Mahesh Jethanandani will ask Scott Mansield to request 10 minutes to
discuss this at the NETMOD meeting during IETF 124.

Item 33. Capability Discovery

Russ Housley reported that the authors of the L3DL draft have said that
they will redo the draft in a way that uses the 802.1 standard, but the
new version has not been posted yet.

6. Potential new items identified in Madrid

Post Quantum Cryptography (PQC) (Deb Cooley, Peter Yee)

There is work on this in 802.1 and 802.11 as well as in the IETF LAMPS
Working Group. This will be added to the list of coordination items.

Jumbo Ethernet Frames (Gorry Fairhurst, Jason Potterf, Éric Vyncke)

This will be added to the list of coordination items.

L4S and WI-FI (Juan Carlos Zuniga, Gorry Fairhurst)

There are no critical discussions at the moment, but it will be
important to create awareness as things evolve. This will be added to
the list of coordination items.

Items that might be added later

• Energy-efficient networking (Mahesh Jethanandani)

  • Check back once the GREEN WG adopts its first set of documents

• IPv6 power save and 802.11v Flexible Multicast Service (FMS) (Peter
  Yee, David Lamparter, Suresh Krishnan, Mirja Kühlewind)

7. Future meeting plans

8. Adjourn