Narrative Minutes interim-2018-iesg-24 2018-12-06 15:00
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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Narrative minutes for the 2018-12-06 IESG Teleconference

These are not an official record of the meeting.
Narrative Scribe: Liz Flynn, Secretariat

1. Administrivia
1.1 Roll call

ATTENDEES
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Ben Campbell (Oracle) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Spencer Dawkins (Wonder Hamster Internetworking) / Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (ETH Zurich) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alexa Morris (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Jeff Tantsura (Apstra) / IAB Liaison
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat

REGRETS
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Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Terry Manderson (ICANN) / Internet Area
Eric Rescorla (Mozilla) / Security Area
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

OBSERVERS
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Mohamed Boucadair
Rahul Jain
Greg Wood

1.2 Bash the agenda

Amy: Does anyone want to add anything to the agenda? We did get one document
deferred this morning and another moved to the next telechat because it wasn't
ready. Any other changes?

1.3 Approval of the minutes of past telechats

Amy: Anyone have an objection to the minutes of the Nov 21 teleconference being
approved? Hearing none, those are approved and we will get those posted. I also
saw slightly revised narrative minutes, does anyone have an objection to
approving those narrative minutes? Hearing none, we'll get those posted as well.

1.4 List of remaining action items from last telechat

Amy: The first group of these are for Ekr and he's not here today so we will
skip those and mark those still in progress.

     o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 8411 [IANA
       #1120853].
       - Added 2018-08-29 (6 telechats ago)
     o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6509
       (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121057].
       - Added 2018-08-30 (5 telechats ago)
     o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6043
       (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121239].
       - Added 2018-08-31 (5 telechats ago)
     o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6267
       (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121240].
       - Added 2018-08-31 (5 telechats ago)
     o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6309
       (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121241].
       - Added 2018-08-31 (5 telechats ago)

Alvaro: Both of mine are ongoing.

     o Alvaro Retana to follow up on discussion at IETF 103 about putting
       major discussion points and decisions in the IESG Wiki.

     o Alvaro Retana to follow up on how to document decisions made during
       face-to-face IESG conversations.

Deborah: Mine is still ongoing.

     o Deborah Brungard to draft text to the WG Chairs list on the subject
       of community relations, including information about what avenues are
       open to chairs for escalating issues.

Amy: This next one for Alissa hinges on Deborah's so I'm assuming it's still in
progress as well?

Alissa: Correct.

     o Alissa Cooper to draft text informing the community about the
       ongoing discussion with the WG chairs about community relations,
       including information about what avenues are open to community
       members for escalating issues.

Alissa: I talked to Karen on Monday and it was a good discussion. One thing she
said is about the newcomers training; she will go back to the materials and the
people who have been rotating through giving the training. They've been doing a
push to have less text on the slides and give more info orally, so she felt
like the points we had raised about people needing to understand how much
background before they propose a new idea does get delivered, even though it's
not a bullet on the slides. That was the only piece of feedback back to us.
She's going to take a look at it and I let her know this mail would be coming
to the WG Chairs list. She'd been thinking about forming a design team to
revamp the WG chairs training materials anyway, so if there's other ideas we
have that might be a good vehicle to do it.

     o Alissa Cooper to talk to Karen O'Donoghue regarding newcomers
       training and to include materials on bringing new work or ideas to
       the IETF and the proper background research on what has been done
       before in the working groups. Also discuss possible annual training
       for new WG Chairs.

     o Spencer Dawkins to send a request to the tools team to set up a
       mechanism by which documents that have been newly adopted into
       working groups are automatically announced to the community as being
       newly adopted.

Amy: We'll mark this in progress and check back in a couple of weeks.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-alto-cost-calendar-09  - IETF stream
   ALTO Cost Calendar (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Mirja Kühlewind

Amy: I have an open position for Ace. Ace, did you want to state a position?

Warren: Sorry, no, if I haven't balloted yet I won't.

Amy: I have a couple of Discusses in the tracker; Mirja, do we need to discuss
those today?

Mirja: I don't think so. I'll let the authors reply and we'll move on from
there.

Ben: My first point was the time interval size. I'd say if they want to use the
time interval size I'm surprised there's no enumeration of legal unit values. I
wonder if there are internationalization considerations or if the time units
will show up in localized languages. I think if they want to keep this, there
are other considerations.

Amy: This will go into IESG Evaluation, Writeup Needed. Thank you Mirja.

 o draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20  - IETF stream
   OSPFv3 Extensions for Segment Routing (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Alvaro Retana

Amy: I have a Discuss in the tracker; do we need to discuss it today?

Alvaro: No we don't. Benjamin is not here and the authors have been in touch
with him.

Amy: Will this require a Revised ID?

Alvaro: Yes, it will.

 o draft-ietf-opsawg-ipfix-bgp-community-11  - IETF stream
   Export BGP community information in IP Flow Information Export
   (IPFIX) (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Ignas Bagdonas

Amy: I have no discusses in the tracker; unless there's an objection now it
looks like this one is approved. Hearing no objection. I see an IANA note; any
other notes needed?

Ignas: I don't think so. Can we keep this as Revised ID needed? There are a
rather large amount of editorial fixes that need to be made.

Amy: Yes, you can let us know when this is all set and ready to go.

 o draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch-25  - IETF stream
   Zero Touch Provisioning for Networking Devices (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Ignas Bagdonas

Amy: I have a number of Discusses in the tracker; do we need to discuss any of
those today?

Ignas: Probably no, unless someone on the call would like to. Except for
Benjamin, all other discusses are being worked out in email. Benjamin's is a
larger one and the authors haven't yet digested all of it. That can be done
offline.

Amy: Will this require a Revised ID?

Ignas: Yes it will.

Amy: That will go into Revised ID Needed and we'll move on, thank you.

 o draft-ietf-ippm-port-twamp-test-03  - IETF stream
   OWAMP and TWAMP Well-Known Port Assignments (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Mirja Kühlewind

Amy: I have no Discusses in the tracker so unless there's an objection it looks
like this one is approved. Okay, looks like this is approved. I have no notes
in the tracker; do we need any for this document? [Mirja had audio issues] I'm
going to put this as Point Raised and Mirja can let us know if that's wrong.

(Later: Mirja says that Point Raised is correct.)

 o draft-ietf-regext-change-poll-10  - IETF stream
   Change Poll Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol
   (EPP) (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Adam Roach

Amy: I have a Discuss in the tracker; do we need to discuss that today?
Unfortunately Benjamin is not here.

Adam: I went to see if the authors had responded and I can't find this mail in
the archive. Until I see how the authors respond to this I don't think we can
disposition it. Put it in Followup Needed; it's not clear to me these are going
to require changes yet.

Amy: Okay; we'll stay in IESG Evaluation with a substate of AD Followup.

 o draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-14  - IETF stream
   PCEP Extensions for Segment Routing (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Deborah Brungard

Amy: I have a Discuss in the tracker; do we need to discuss that today?

Deborah: No, the authors are discussing with Alvaro and I think ti's going
along fine. So keep it in IESG Evaluation and we'll let you know.

Amy: It does not have enough positions to pass so you'll have to get someone
else to review as well.

Deborah: Thank you for pointing that out.

2.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-sipcore-originating-cdiv-parameter-07  - IETF stream
   A P-Served-User Header Field Parameter for Originating CDIV session
   case in Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) (Informational)
   Token: Ben Campbell

Amy: I have no discusses in the tracker; unless there's an objection now it
looks like this one is approved.

Ben: I think we're going to need a revision to catch some editorial comments.

Amy: We'll put that in Approved, Announcement to be sent, Revised ID Needed and
Ben, you can let us know when that's ready.

 o draft-ietf-detnet-problem-statement-07  - IETF stream
   Deterministic Networking Problem Statement (Informational)
   Token: Deborah Brungard

Amy: I have no discusses in the tracker; unless there's an objection now it
looks like this one is approved.

Deborah: We'll do it as Point Raised because I think they still had some fixes.

Amy: We'll put it in Approved, Announcement to be sent, Point Raised, Writeup
Needed, and you can let us know when that's ready to go, thank you.

3.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 NONE

3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 o conflict-review-irtf-t2trg-iot-seccons-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-seccons
     draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-seccons-15
     State-of-the-Art and Challenges for the Internet of Things
   Security (IRTF: Informational)
   Token: Benjamin Kaduk

Amy: No discusses for this conflict review so unless there's an objection the
CR can go back to the IRSG. Hearing no objection, so this is approved with the
current note and we'll get that sent.

 o conflict-review-contreras-layered-sdn-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-contreras-layered-sdn
     draft-contreras-layered-sdn-03
     Cooperating Layered Architecture for Software Defined Networking
   (CLAS) (ISE: Informational)
   Token: Ignas Bagdonas

This conflict review has been deferred to the next telechat in two weeks.

 o conflict-review-dolson-transport-middlebox-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-dolson-transport-middlebox
     draft-dolson-transport-middlebox-04
     An Inventory of Transport-centric Functions Provided by
   Middleboxes (ISE: Informational)
   Token: Mirja Kühlewind

Amy: I have no discusses so unless there's an objection the conflict review can
go back to the ISE with the included note. Hearing no objection, so it looks
like this is approved.

3.4.2 Returning items

 NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 o Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling (teas)

Amy: Any current objection to that way forward, that we just make the changes
to this? Hearing no objection, we'll make those changes.

Deborah: Just let me double check. I'll send you a note when it's ready.

Amy: Okay, we'll wait for you and send it when you say okay.

4.2.2 Proposed for approval

These both have gone out for external review.

 o Hypertext Transfer Protocol (httpbis)

Amy: I have no blocking comments for approving the recharter; unless there's an
objection now it looks like this is approved.

Alexey: Spencer, I addressed your nit for revise/refine. Otherwise It think
this is ready.

Adam: I would raise one nit, which is the formatting of one bullet point.

Alexey: If putting in a carriage return works I'm happy to do that. Let's do
this in Point Raised and I'll email the tools team or just make that edit.

 o Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance (dmarc)

Amy: I have no blocking comments for approving the recharter; unless there's an
objection now it looks like this is approved.

Alexey: Alissa, I'm just going to double check with the chairs about your
comment and if they say go ahead I'll do the change.

Alissa: I'm fine either way.

Alexey: Let's do it similar; put it in Point Raised and I'll email the
Secretariat when it's ready.

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

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6.1 IETF 103 Survey Results (Alissa Cooper)

The IETF 103 agenda-related survey results were shared with the IESG. Feelings
were mixed about the no-Friday agenda experiment. Several respondents called
out agenda conflicts that are not listed in the WG conflict lists. Alvaro
discussed the possibility of changing the language of the conflict levels.
Alexa will send these results to the WG Chairs list.

6.3 Important Dates for 2019 (Liz Flynn/Secretariat)

Important Dates for 2019 have been prepared. The Important Dates show that
registration for 104 will open on December 31; the Secretariat plans to open
registration earlier but just in case decided to keep the later date. The
important dates were approved.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

6.2 Executive Session: Disclosure of Funding Sources (Alissa Cooper)