Narrative Minutes interim-2019-iesg-02 2019-01-24 15:00
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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) Narrative minutes for the 2019-01-24 IESG Teleconference These are not an official record of the meeting. Narrative Scribe: Liz Flynn, Secretariat 1. Administrivia 1.1 Roll call ATTENDEES --------------------------------- Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) / Operations and Management Area Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area Ben Campbell (Oracle) / Applications and Real-Time Area Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Incoming Security Area Spencer Dawkins (Wonder Hamster Internetworking) / Transport Area Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area Mirja Kuehlewind (ETH Zurich) / Transport Area Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area Barry Leiba (Huawei) / Incoming Applications and Real-Time Area Terry Manderson (ICANN) / Internet Area Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Alexa Morris (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Eric Rescorla (Mozilla) / Security Area Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area Jeff Tantsura (Apstra) / IAB Liaison Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Incoming Transport Area REGRETS --------------------------------- Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Incoming Internet Area Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director OBSERVERS --------------------------------- Luigi Iannone Marie-Jose Montpetit Greg Wood 1.2 Bash the agenda Amy: Does anyone want to add anything new to today's agenda? Ekr: I sent mail about adding an ETSI response, so if that didn't get added, please add it. Amy: As a management item? Ekr: Wherever you think appropriate. Also I found a DE for 8411. Amy: Okay, we will take that up as a management item at the end. 1.3 Approval of the minutes of past telechats Amy: Anyone have an objection to the minutes from the January 10 teleconference being approved? Hearing no objection, so those are approved and we will get those posted in the public archive. I also saw final narrative minutes; does anyone have an objection to those? Hearing no objection, those will be posted as well. 1.4 List of remaining action items from last telechat o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 8411 [IANA #1120853]. Amy: This will be taken up as a management item at the end. Ekr, I'm assuming the next items for mikey-payloads are still in progress? Ekr: I am in fact working on it but have not finished yet. o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6509 (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121057]. o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6043 (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121239]. o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6267 (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121240]. o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6309 (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121241]. o Alissa Cooper to draft text informing the community about the ongoing discussion with the WG chairs about community relations, including information about what avenues are open to community members for escalating issues. Alissa: I did this, I think, shortly after the last telechat. Amy: We will mark that as done. Alissa: There is a question there though; I keep forgetting to look back at the thread. Who has the action to summarize what we learned from the engagement with the wgchairs? Amy: I don't think we have an action item assigned to anyone. Do you want to talk about that? Alissa: I believe this was Deborah's initiative, perhaps Deborah would like to take on the action? Deborah: Yes, I can take it on. Alissa: Thanks. Amy: Deborah to summarize discussion with wgchairs on this subject? We'll put together a new action item. o Alvaro Retana to send email to the IESG with proposed re-labeling of scheduling conflicts. Amy: Alvaro could not be here today. o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts experts for RFC 5435 [IANA #1132764]. Amy: This will be a management item at the end. o Benjamin Kaduk/Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6844 [IANA #1133642]. Amy: This will be a management item at the end. o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf [IANA #1133794]. o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-session- signal [IANA #1133795]. o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-dns- capture-format [IANA #1133796]. Amy: The previous three for Warren will all be management items at the end of the call so they are provisionally done. o Suresh Krishnan to discuss naming experts for the registries created by draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics with Allison Mankin. Suresh: That's still ongoing. o Alissa Cooper to send a message to the community about plenary transcripts for the Q&A sections of the plenary (IAB, LLC Board, and IESG). Alissa: What was I telling people about this? Amy: I think this came out of the discussion that we will only be transcribing the Q&A sections from the plenary. Alissa: I have not done that. Amy: I think it came from last week's informal. o Ben Campbell to write up text on the IESG's expectations regarding conflicts of interest and the disclosure of funding sources. Amy: This also came out of the informal last week. Ben: I have not done either of mine yet but I'm thinking about them. o Ben Campbell to send the email on what updates means to the IETF Community. o Warren Kumari and Spencer Dawkins to develop the spherical routing topic. Amy: This is also from the informal from last week. Warren: We're working on it. Spencer: The thing worth mentioning here is that it's starting to touch a lot of places like the IAB and IRTF and getting visibility of this to the larger community soon is probably a good thing. Amy: Okay, so I'm going to mark that as in progress. o Spencer Dawkins to discuss changes to the HotRFC sessions with Aaron Falk and implement with the Secretariat. Spencer: That's done. 2. Protocol actions 2.1 WG submissions 2.1.1 New items o draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-control-10 - IETF stream Diameter Overload Rate Control (Proposed Standard) Token: Ben Campbell Amy: I have an open position for Ace. Did you have a position for this document or not? Warren: Sorry, no, if I don't have a position today I don't have a position. Amy: We currently have no Discusses so unless there's an objection it looks like this one is approved. Michelle: We did send something out for expert review related to this document. One expert did approve the registrations but he also said we'd better see what the other expert has to say, and we have not heard from the other expert. Just to let you know. Amy: There are no notes in the tracker. Does it need any? Ben: It doesn't need any notes that I know of but I think we are going to need a document update. Amy: This will go into Approved, Announcement to be sent, Revised ID Needed. o draft-ietf-mile-xmpp-grid-09 - IETF stream Using XMPP for Security Information Exchange (Proposed Standard) Token: Alexey Melnikov Amy: I have a number of Discusses, do we need to discuss those today? Alexey: I don't think so. I need help from the WG and editors to reply to various issues. I tried to chime in on SASL indication stuff which I knew about. General note: this document will need a pass to make sure it's either a full informational and just referencing existing requirements or if the document has extra requirements. I'll talk to the WG about that. This will definitely need a new revision. Amy: We're going to put this into IESG Evaluation with a substate of Revised ID Needed and we'll move on. Thanks. o draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying-03 - IETF stream Router Keying for BGPsec (Proposed Standard) Token: Warren Kumari Amy: I have two Discusses in the tracker. Do we need to discuss those today? Warren: I don't really think so, I think they're just things the authors need to address. Something that I guess I'll mention is for the hot-swap router case, the reason that's in there is often when you're hot-swapping around, or it's kind of an emergency, so having a solution where you can copy stuff from one version to anther and not have to have your router down while you're copying keys, waiting for them to propagate, etc. I don't know if that makes sense to people who had that as a question. Ben: I don't think our objection was that it was included, I think it was along the lines that it's included as The Way, without mentioning there might be other ways to solve the problem that are less fraught. Ekr: That's basically my position as well. This document kind of feels like it was written in 2009 in terms of how it reasons about operational practices. Warren: Okay. I think the rest of the comments are relatively easy to address for the authors. Some of it is also recognizing that in an emergency, operators do what operators do. Amy: Is this going to require a revised ID? Warren: Yes. Thank you. o draft-ietf-lisp-rfc8113bis-02 - IETF stream Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP): Shared Extension Message & IANA Registry for Packet Type Allocations (Proposed Standard) Token: Deborah Brungard Amy: I have no discusses for this document, so unless anyone has an objection it looks like this is approved. Hearing no objection to approving this document. I have no notes in the tracker. Does it need notes? Deborah: We'll do it as Point Raised; I want to double check on some of the comments. Amy: Okay, this will go into Approved, Announcement to be Sent, Point Raised, Writeup Needed. 2.1.2 Returning items o draft-ietf-dmarc-rfc7601bis-05 - IETF stream Message Header Field for Indicating Message Authentication Status (Proposed Standard) Token: Alexey Melnikov Amy: All the Discusses for this document have been cleared so unless there's an objection it looks like this one is approved. Alexey: Yes please! Amy I have no notes, are there any needed? Can it go? Alexey: I think this can go. 2.2 Individual submissions 2.2.1 New items NONE 2.2.2 Returning items NONE 2.3 Status changes 2.3.1 New items NONE 2.3.2 Returning items NONE 3. Document actions 3.1 WG submissions 3.1.1 New items NONE 3.1.2 Returning items NONE 3.2 Individual submissions via AD 3.2.1 New items NONE 3.2.2 Returning items NONE 3.3 Status changes 3.3.1 New items NONE 3.3.2 Returning items NONE 3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents 3.4.1 New items NONE 3.4.2 Returning items NONE 4. Working Group actions 4.1 WG creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review o GitHub Integration and Tooling (git) Amy: There are currently no blocks. Does anyone have an objection to this going out for external review? Ekr: I just discovered it's not named WUGH anymore and that makes me sad. Alissa: We thought it would be better to give it a name that some fraction of the community knows how to pronounce. There are some edits that have arisen from the IESG review which I would love to apply before it goes out for external review, if that's possible. Amy: Absolutely. It sounds like external review is approved pending edits from you, Alissa, so you can send us a ticket when that's ready. 4.1.2 Proposed for approval NONE 4.2 WG rechartering 4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review NONE 4.2.2 Proposed for approval NONE 5. IAB news we can use Deborah: I don't think so. They now publish the agenda and I don't think there's really anything to make note of. 6. Management issues 6.1 Designated experts for RFC 5435 [IANA #1132764] (Alexey Melnikov) Amy Any objection to naming Barry and Alexey the experts for this? Alexey: We're the editors of the original RFC so that made most sense. Amy: I'm hearing no objection, so you have the job. We'll send notification to IANA. 6.2 Continuing Agenda Experimentation (Liz Flynn) Liz presented several options for the structure of the 104 agenda. She will attempt to create some unstructured time on Wednesday before the plenary, which will stay at its usual time. After session requests close on February 8 she will have a better idea of how much flexibility is possible. 6.3 Designated Experts for DNSOP Documents (Warren Kumari) Amy: Warren has proposed designated experts for three DNSOP documents. The first is for RFC-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf and he has proposed Dave Crocker and Frederico A C Neves. Any objection to those folks? Hearing no objection. Next is for RFC-ietf-dnsop-session-signal and he has suggested Ted Lemon, Sara Dickinson, and John Dickinson. Any objection there? Hearing no objection. The last one is for RFC-ietf-dnsop-dns-capture-format and has identified Jim Hague, Sara Dickinson, and John Dickinson for that registry. Any objection there? No objections, excellent. We will get those messages sent to IANA. 6.5 [IANA#1130107] Approve two requests for ifType name in draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang (Deborah Brungard) Deborah: No objections or concerns. I'll let Michelle know it's approved. I emailed the IESG list to let everyone know what it was about. Amy: Deborah, I'm hearing no objection to that way forward. You'll take care of emailing IANA? Michelle: I think it'd be cleaner to come as an approval from the IESG since this is not something we've had to do in a really long time. Amy: So is that like one of our official notes that we send you, Michelle? Michelle: That would be perfect, just indicating the IESG has approved these two requests. Amy: Okay; we'll send an official note. 6.6 Approve PHB as DE for RFC 6844 registry (Benjamin Kaduk) Amy: The next management item is to approve a designated expert for this registry. Benjamin wants to approve Phillip Hallam-Baker. Any objection to approving PHB in this capacity? Hearing no objection so we will get that note sent off to IANA. 6.7 ETSI Liaison Response (Eric Rescorla) Amy: Ekr, you added this but we didn't find email to support it. You need to talk about it a little bit I think. Ekr: I sent a copy of the liaison response to the IESG list. This is about what I expected, namely we can do whatever we want but we'll change the name. I don't know if people have other opinions. My plan was to forward this to the IETF list because people asked about it and do nothing else. Anyone propose doing anything else? Benjamin: Does it need to be formally entered into the Datatracker as a liaison statement before we can usefully forward it to the IETF list? Ekr: I thought we didn't technically have a liaison with ETSI. Alissa: We've been tracking these in the tracker. You can just send it to statements at ietf.org. Ekr: So I should just forward it there. Alissa: Someone from AMS can tell us that's wrong but I think that's right. Ekr: Okay. I will do that right now. Does that mean it will also go to the IETF list or do I have to send it separately? Alissa: You have to send it separately, they don't go to the IETF list automatically. Ekr: Do I need to wait for something to happen or should I just send it to the IETF list? Alissa: I think it's better to send a link than an attachment. Maybe wait until it gets posted and then send a link. Ekr: Okay. Can the secretariat let me know when it's posted? Benjamin: I think an email gets sent automatically to the IESG list. 6.8 Designated Expert for RFC 8411 (Eric Rescorla) Ekr: I've identified Jim Schaad. Amy: Any objection to naming Jim Schaad as the designated expert for RFC 8411? Hearing no objection, so we will get that note sent to IANA. 7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.) Amy: Any other business to discuss before executive session? Benjamin: It's looking pretty likely we'll have a RATS charter on the next call. We have a pretty solid level of support on the mailing list for the current charter text. Amy: Excellent. Any other news? Okay, with that we will ask liaisons and guests to drop off for executive session. 6.4 Executive Session: LLC Board Slate Confirmation (Adam Roach)