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Telechat Review of draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-08

Request Review of draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay
Requested revision No specific revision (document currently at 10)
Type Telechat Review
Team Routing Area Directorate (rtgdir)
Deadline 2018-02-20
Requested 2018-01-26
Requested by Alvaro Retana
Authors Jorge Rabadan , Senthil Sathappan , Wim Henderickx , Ali Sajassi , John Drake
I-D last updated 2018-02-14
Completed reviews Rtgdir Telechat review of -08 by Sasha Vainshtein (diff)
Opsdir Last Call review of -08 by Victor Kuarsingh (diff)
Secdir Last Call review of -08 by Tero Kivinen (diff)
Genart Last Call review of -08 by Vijay K. Gurbani (diff)
Assignment Reviewer Sasha Vainshtein
State Completed
Request Telechat review on draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay by Routing Area Directorate Assigned
Reviewed revision 08 (document currently at 10)
Result Has issues
Completed 2018-02-14

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The
Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as
they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special
request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs.
For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would
be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call
comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by
updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-08 Reviewer:
Alexander (“Sasha”) Vainshtein Review Date: 14-Feb-18 IETF LC End Date:
09-Feb-18 Intended Status: Standards Track


I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resolved
before publication.

The document is well written, but understanding of both the EVPN technology
(RFC 7432) and network virtualization basics are mandatory prerequisites for
the readers. My personal expertise in both these areas is limited, and this may
affect the quality of the review.

From my POV this draft complements the EVPN
Overlay<> draft
(already approved by the IESG for publication as an RFC): it  discusses
interaction between the EVPN Overlay within the DC with some options that
implement L2 connectivity in the WAN that provides the infrastructure for the
DC interconnect.

I have identified two groups of specifications in the draft:

-          Specifications in the first group explain how the mechanisms already
defined in other specifications (mainly in RFCF 7432) should be used to provide
DCI Interconnect that uses EVPN as the overlay within the DC. One example can
be found in Section 3.5.2 that recommends usage of ARP/ND Proxy cache in the DC
Gateways to prevent flooding of ARP/ND messages within the DC, many other
examples can be added

-          Specifications in the second group define new behavior. One example
is the proposed (in Section 3.5.1) usage of the Unknown MAC Route (UMR) to
prevent overwhelming the NVEs with the need to learn zillions of MAC addresses
in the remote DCs.

As part of preparation of this review I have discussed my comments with the
authors who have been most responsive and cooperative -  so much so that they
have addressed some of my earlier comments in the latest (-08) version of the
draft. As a consequence, I had to remove the already addressed comments from
the final version of my review, and to ask the authors not to post a new
version before posting of the review.  I would like to express my gratitude to
the authors and, especially, to Jorge for excellent cooperation.

Major Issues: None found.

Minor Issues:

1.       From my POV this draft should be marked as updating RFC 7432 in its
metadata. The update should refer to several aspects including at least the

a.       Use of Ethernet PWs (see Figure 1 in the draft) as an Ethernet
Segment. RFC 7432 defines Ethernet Segment as a set of Ethernet links that
connect a customer sit to one or more PEs.

b.       Use of the Unknown MAC Route (UMR). RFC 7432 only says that a PE may
flood unicast frames with unknown destination MAC to all other PEs but does not
have to do that, with the decision being a matter of local policy;  it neither
defines any mechanisms that advertise a specific PE and a specific Ethernet
Segment attached to this PE as the “default next Hop” for all unknown
destination MAC addresses, nor prevents usage of such mechanisms.

2.       Definitions of VLAN-based and VLAN bundle-based Ethernet Segments in
RFC 7432 do not cover the case of PW hand-off between the WAN and DC GW in the
Decoupled model. While this looks like a straightforward extension, it should
be clarified in the draft IMO.

3.       The UMR and its encoding (defined in Section 3.5 of this draft)
already have been defined in RFC
7543<https://ilptlppjir01:8443/secure/Dashboard.jspa>. I suggest to remove the
UMR definition from the text and to replace it with a Normative reference to
RFC 7543. At the same time RFC 7543 and this draft seem to use the UMR
differently, and these differences should also be clarified in the draft.

4.       The draft presents two DC Interconnect models (shown in Figure 1 and
Figure 2 respectively): Decoupled Interconnect and Integrated Interconnect.
These diagrams create an impression that the same model must be used in all the
interconnected DCs – but this impression is wrong. Actually (clarified that
with the authors) the model is a local issue between a specific DC GW and WAN,
so that the same interconnect can use the Decoupled model in the GWs of some
DCs and Integrated model in the GWs of other DCs.

5.       The EVPN Overlay draft defines two modes for implementing DC
Interconnect: using DC GWs and using ASBRs. Both models (Decoupled and
Integrated Interconnect) discussed in this draft are actually sub-models of the
model of DC Interconnect that uses GWs. The draft actually mentions that, but
quite late - in the Security Considerations section where I, for one, would not
be looking for this kind of information at all. I would suggest moving this
clarification to the Introduction section and only keeping the text that deals
with the security benefits of the GW-based model in Section 5. (Aside: The
draft has successfully passed the SecDir review, so I hope that such a change
would not cause any issues.)

6.       In Section 4.2 the draft discusses Integrated DC interconnect that
uses VPLS in WAN. It refers to RFC 4761, RFC 4762 and RFC 6074 for the
definition of VPLS and says (in section 4.2.1) that “different route-targets
for the DC and for the WAN are usually required.” Since BGP in general and RTs
specifically are not relevant for VPLS based on RFC 4762, the corresponding
exception should be added to the text.

7.       In section 4.2.1 the draft also says that “the GWs will be provisioned
with I-ESI” where I-ESI stands for the Interconnect Ethernet Segment
Identifier. But this is all about the Integrated Interconnect – so what
represents  the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (to be identified by I-ESI) in
this model?

8.       Both Section 4.2.1 and Section 4.4.6 mention a local Attachment
Circuit (AC) on the DC GW (in the latter case – as one of the advantages of the
DC Interconnect solution that uses EVPN-MPLS in the WAN). But such ACs are not
shown in the diagram depicting the Integrated model. Some clarifying text would
be helpful. In particular, it would be nice to explain why local ACs are
considered as benefits of the Integrated DC Interconnect solution that uses
EVPN-MPLS in the WAN if they are also possible in the Integrated DC
Interconnect solution that uses VPLS (at least as implied by them being
mentioned in section 4.2.1).

9.       Section 4.6 discussed the Integrated DC Interconnect solution that
uses EVPN-VXLAN in the WAN. Other encapsulations (e.g., MPLS in GRE) are not
discussed. It would be nice if the authors could clarify the reasons for
including one encapsulation and excluding all others.


I did not check the draft for typos. I would only like to mention that the
draft mentions (in several places) “existing Technical Specifications” as if
they were Royalty - looks a bit exaggerated to me.


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