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Last Call Review of draft-ietf-lisp-deployment-08

Request Review of draft-ietf-lisp-deployment
Requested revision No specific revision (document currently at 12)
Type Last Call Review
Team General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) (genart)
Deadline 2013-07-15
Requested 2013-07-05
Authors Lorand Jakab , Albert Cabellos-Aparicio , Florin Coras , Jordi Domingo-Pascual , Darrel Lewis
I-D last updated 2013-07-10
Completed reviews Genart Last Call review of -08 by Brian E. Carpenter (diff)
Genart Telechat review of -10 by Brian E. Carpenter (diff)
Secdir Last Call review of -08 by Warren "Ace" Kumari (diff)
Assignment Reviewer Brian E. Carpenter
State Completed
Request Last Call review on draft-ietf-lisp-deployment by General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) Assigned
Reviewed revision 08 (document currently at 12)
Result Almost ready
Completed 2013-07-10
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Document: draft-ietf-lisp-deployment-09.txt
Reviewer: Brian Carpenter
Review Date: 2013-07-10
IETF LC End Date: 2013-07-15
IESG Telechat date:

Summary:  Almost ready


I was assigned to review -08, but -09 came out during Last Call.


The draft states in its Introduction that it "is expected to evolve as LISP
deployment progresses, and the described scenarios are better understood or
new scenarios are discovered." The desire to freeze a version of the draft
as an RFC is understandable, but shouldn't the title and Abstract clearly
indicate that it's a snapshot (and genuinely a request for comments)?

In general the draft is clear and well written. If you believe that there
are sufficient incentives for Tier 3 providers and large sites to deploy
an experimental protocol such as LISP, the discussion is useful. However,
I am disappointed by the limited discussion of scalability. In particular,
the incentives to deploy P-ITRs and to announce routes to them will become
a critical issue at the half-way stage between early transition (LISP is a
minority solution) and late transition (LISP is the majority solution).
According to RFC 6832, P-ITRs scale either because "aggregate routes might
be selectively announced" or because "the same address might be announced
by multiple Proxy-ITRs in order to share the traffic." I really expected
the deployment draft to discuss this issue in more detail. As I believe
has been said before, these issues are very similar to the issues facing
the operators of a 6to4 forward or return relay. We have experimental
evidence there that altruism doesn't work and the incentives to "donate"
connectivity are insufficient. The analogy isn't perfect, but the underlying
question is similar - what is the incentive for a particular operator to
offer P-ITR service for a particular bunch of EID prefixes, when the
clientele might be up to half the Internet, depending on who chooses to
propagate the routes?

The Security Considerations are minimal. I wonder if draft-ietf-lisp-threats
identifies threats for each scenario described in draft-ietf-lisp-deployment?
If not, the statement "Security implications of LISP deployments are to be
discussed in separate documents." is rather optimistic.