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Framework for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based Control of Synchronous Digital Hierarchy/Synchronous Optical Networking (SDH/SONET) Networks
RFC 4257

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Date Rev. By Action
2012-08-22
05 (System) post-migration administrative database adjustment to the No Objection position for Russ Housley
2005-12-20
05 Amy Vezza State Changes to RFC Published from RFC Ed Queue by Amy Vezza
2005-12-20
05 Amy Vezza [Note]: 'RFC 4257' added by Amy Vezza
2005-12-12
05 (System) RFC published
2005-05-03
05 Amy Vezza State Changes to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent by Amy Vezza
2005-04-29
05 Amy Vezza IESG state changed to Approved-announcement sent
2005-04-29
05 Amy Vezza IESG has approved the document
2005-04-29
05 Amy Vezza Closed "Approve" ballot
2005-04-29
05 Amy Vezza State Changes to Approved-announcement to be sent from IESG Evaluation::AD Followup by Amy Vezza
2005-04-28
05 Russ Housley [Ballot Position Update] Position for Russ Housley has been changed to No Objection from Discuss by Russ Housley
2005-04-21
05 Brian Carpenter
[Ballot comment]
After discussion with the AD I have cleared Harald's DISCUSS, even though the main point raised by Elwyn Davies, the Gen-Art reviewer, (excessive …
[Ballot comment]
After discussion with the AD I have cleared Harald's DISCUSS, even though the main point raised by Elwyn Davies, the Gen-Art reviewer, (excessive tutorial, unevenness of detail, whether it really is a framework and failure to highlight conclusions/requirements) has not been fixed. This is a judgement call.

However, there is one new review comment that should be fixed editorially.

> One additional point which I didn't pick up on in the previous review is a
> 'red rag' issue in the second paragraph of 1.1: equating MPLS LSP in
> general with circuit.
2005-04-21
05 Brian Carpenter [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Brian Carpenter by Brian Carpenter
2005-02-23
05 (System) Sub state has been changed to AD Follow up from New Id Needed
2005-02-23
05 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-ccamp-sdhsonet-control-05.txt
2004-12-17
05 Amy Vezza State Changes to IESG Evaluation::Revised ID Needed from IESG Evaluation by Amy Vezza
2004-12-17
05 (System) Removed from agenda for telechat - 2004-12-16
2004-12-16
05 Sam Hartman [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Sam Hartman by Sam Hartman
2004-12-16
05 Russ Housley
[Ballot discuss]
The Security Considerations are very weak.  Section 1.4.1 says that
  manual entry errors can be reduced.  However, this means that a
  …
[Ballot discuss]
The Security Considerations are very weak.  Section 1.4.1 says that
  manual entry errors can be reduced.  However, this means that a
  protocol is running in the customer-edge equipment.  What happens
  if an attacker is able to manipulate this device?  In the manually
  configured case, only the one link is impacted.  It seems like the
  impact will be magnified in the proposed solution.

  Section 3 says:
  >
  > (iv) Information intended only for end systems of the connection.
  > Some of the payload type information in may fall into this category.
  >
  I am baffled.  Please explain it.
2004-12-16
05 Russ Housley [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Russ Housley by Russ Housley
2004-12-16
05 Harald Alvestrand [Ballot comment]
Reviewed by Elwyn Davies, Gen-ART

Complete review added to document log.
2004-12-16
05 Harald Alvestrand
[Ballot discuss]
Reviewed by Elwyn Davies, Gen-ART, who found the presentation of materials somewhat suboptimal - in particular, he found conclusions and tutorial/background materials so …
[Ballot discuss]
Reviewed by Elwyn Davies, Gen-ART, who found the presentation of materials somewhat suboptimal - in particular, he found conclusions and tutorial/background materials so thoroughly mixed that it's hard to tell what the document is trying to say.

I'd like (at minimum) a response to the review before approving it.
2004-12-16
05 Harald Alvestrand [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Harald Alvestrand by Harald Alvestrand
2004-12-16
05 Harald Alvestrand
Review from Elwyn Davies, Gen-ART:

Summary:
This document seems to be a useful adjunct to
draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-sonet-sdh-08.txt for which it claims to be a
'framework' but …
Review from Elwyn Davies, Gen-ART:

Summary:
This document seems to be a useful adjunct to
draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-sonet-sdh-08.txt for which it claims to be a
'framework' but IMO is mistitled. I have some major reservations about
the way the information is presented.  Suggestions for improvements
are given in the body of the review.

Additionally there is a great deal of SONET/SDH tutorial material
which is somewhat inconsistent in level of detail, and contains some
dangling references.

The text contains a large number of unexpanded/undefined
abbreviations.

All in all, the document *will* be a helpful Informational but needs
some further work to improve the usefulness of the information.

Meta-point: This document was part of the pilot project involving
delegating AD review to WG chair(s).  It will be interesting to hear
Alex's views as to whether he would have flagged any of these issues
at an earlier stage.

Review: Having read through the document, I have some doubts about the
classification of the document as a 'framework': it contains instead a
number of different things – a tutorial on the architecture and
multiplexing structure of SDH/SONET; requirements and design goals for
controlling SDH/SONET networks; and an analysis of how to map the
SDH/SONET architecture onto the existing GMPLS framework for the
purposes of controlling the SDH/SONET network together with an outline
of the necessary protocol extensions.  Perhaps 'framework' is the last
thing it is! (The concepts, structure and mechanisms, which are what I
understand should be in a framework, are provided by GMPLS and not
significantly altered by this document).  Maybe 'requirements and
design goals for mapping SONET/SDH network control onto the GMPLS
framework' might be better.

I was generally uneasy about the way in which the document was
written.  Part of this is probably because it is apparently trying to
address a number of different goals subsidiary to its central one
(para 3, Intro: 'The goal of this work is to highlight how GMPLS could
be used to dynamically establish, maintain, and tear down SDH/SONET
circuits'), and the pieces were not very well separated. These
implicitly include providing tutorial material for SONET/SDH and
justifying expected business value of the work.

The document contains a large proportion of tutorial material
(probably more than 70%) providing the background needed for a
non-expert in SONET/SDH to understand the requirements and design
goals.  I think my main problem with this document is that the
decisions and conclusions related to the various goals (perhaps best
summarized by para 3 of the Introduction) are embedded in the tutorial
material in a way that makes it difficult for an SONET/SDH expert to
go straight for them and would make it difficult to check that the
GMPLS extension proposals match the analysis here.  The document would
be much improved by highlighting the discussion outcomes by suitable
formatting (e.g., quoted paragraphs with key phrase titles) and
providing a proper itemized summary as opposed to the 'academic paper'
style assertions that the goals have been met.  It would also help to
distinguish the points according to the goals they meet and the part
of the GMPLS framework affected (protocols, labels, etc)– some of
this is tied to the section title but some extra notation would help.

Additionally, the tutorial material is somewhat uneven providing (IMO)
excessive detail and discussion in some places (e.g., Sect 1.3 – I
think the operational processes could be compressed and the important
points for this work highlighted - and Sect 4.2 – where the details
of the different protection options are maybe not needed for the
purposes of this work), but, for example, skimping on the (textual)
description of the multiplexing structure in Sect 1.2: Figure 1 is not
terribly comprehensible and contains a set of reference points noted
at the end of para 5 but NOT explained later.  The result is that the
description of the multiplexing structure is distributed across the
document and clutters up portions where decisions are being documented
(such as 4.1).  Overall, compressing the tutorial matter and where
possible keeping it confined to a single section might clarify the
document, and make the decision points more readily visible.

In my view it is essential that the key decision points are
highlighted both as they are finalized within the body of the text,
and possibly by a real summary at the end.  The current summary is
more appropriate to an academic paper where the author is
demonstrating that the points from the intro have been ticked off: for
the purposes of this document, a checklist of things to do to
protocols and boxes plus open issues would help expert readers and
implementers who otherwise have to plough through the whole document
to find what was supposed to have been done.

On the subject of open issues, it is not clear what is being done
about these open issues and whether they ought to be solved before the
document is finalized.

At a more detailed level:
- There are a large number of unexpanded abbreviations, starting right
  from the beginning with SONET and SDH!
- I think the summary of goals in the abstract and the introduction
  are not well aligned.

There are a number of editorial nits relating to formatting: Check the
layout of tables 1 and 5. Also para 1 of 1.4.2.  Also idnits should be
run.

In s1.1, the Layer 2 technologies relevant to VPI/VCI and DLCI need to
be specified (as well as expanding the acronyms).

In s1.2, the term tributary needs to be defined.

Last para of s.1.4.1: s/dissemination/disseminate/

If the doc is going to refer to draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-routing-09.txt
indicating how the design decisions are implemented then the ref [12]
surely has to be normative.  I am not sure the ref is a good idea
(making a circular dependency).
2004-12-16
05 Bert Wijnen [Ballot comment]
Since this is a lot about SONET/SDH, would it not be good to have the document reviewed by someone from ITU-T as well?
2004-12-16
05 Bert Wijnen [Ballot Position Update] New position, Undefined, has been recorded for Bert Wijnen by Bert Wijnen
2004-12-16
05 Michelle Cotton IANA Comments: We understand this document to have NO IANA Actions.
2004-12-15
05 Margaret Cullen [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Margaret Wasserman by Margaret Wasserman
2004-12-15
05 David Kessens [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for David Kessens by David Kessens
2004-12-14
05 Ted Hardie [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Ted Hardie by Ted Hardie
2004-12-14
05 Scott Hollenbeck [Ballot Position Update] Position for Scott Hollenbeck has been changed to No Objection from Undefined by Scott Hollenbeck
2004-12-14
05 Scott Hollenbeck
[Ballot comment]
Missing IANA Considerations.

I'm not sure I agree with the statements in the Security Considerations section about the need for GMPLS protocol specifications …
[Ballot comment]
Missing IANA Considerations.

I'm not sure I agree with the statements in the Security Considerations section about the need for GMPLS protocol specifications alone to identify and address security issues specific to protocol.  If this document is describing an extension framework, shouldn't it also address the security implications of extensions in general?  I'll leave it to Russ or Sam to determine if this merits a discuss or not.
2004-12-14
05 Scott Hollenbeck [Ballot Position Update] New position, Undefined, has been recorded for Scott Hollenbeck by Scott Hollenbeck
2004-12-13
05 Alex Zinin [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Alex Zinin
2004-12-13
05 Alex Zinin Ballot has been issued by Alex Zinin
2004-12-13
05 Alex Zinin Created "Approve" ballot
2004-12-13
05 (System) Ballot writeup text was added
2004-12-13
05 (System) Last call text was added
2004-12-13
05 (System) Ballot approval text was added
2004-11-30
05 Alex Zinin Placed on agenda for telechat - 2004-12-16 by Alex Zinin
2004-11-30
05 Alex Zinin State Changes to IESG Evaluation from AD Evaluation by Alex Zinin
2004-11-30
05 Alex Zinin ready for IESG review
2004-11-30
05 Alex Zinin State Changes to AD Evaluation from AD Evaluation::External Party by Alex Zinin
2004-10-01
04 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-ccamp-sdhsonet-control-04.txt
2004-08-27
05 Alex Zinin State Changes to AD Evaluation::External Party from AD Evaluation::AD Followup by Alex Zinin
2004-08-27
05 Alex Zinin WG chairs dealing with the draft. Waiting for a GA from them.
2004-07-15
05 (System) Sub state has been changed to AD Follow up from New Id Needed
2004-07-15
03 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-ccamp-sdhsonet-control-03.txt
2004-05-01
05 Margaret Cullen [Note]: 'Participant in PROTO Team pilot:
Workgroup Chair Followup of AD Evaluation Comments
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-proto-ad-comments-pilot-00.txt' added by Margaret Wasserman
2004-03-04
05 Alex Zinin State Changes to AD Evaluation::Revised ID Needed from AD Evaluation by Alex Zinin
2004-03-04
05 Alex Zinin Comments sent to the WG.
2003-10-22
05 Alex Zinin State Changes to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested by Alex Zinin
2003-09-18
05 Natalia Syracuse Draft Added by Natalia Syracuse
2003-02-14
02 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-ccamp-sdhsonet-control-02.txt
2002-05-23
01 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-ccamp-sdhsonet-control-01.txt
2002-03-01
00 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-ccamp-sdhsonet-control-00.txt