Requirements for Improvements to the IETF Email List Archiving, Web-Based Browsing, and Search Tool
RFC 7842

[Ballot comment]
In this text:

  o  Provide a link on each row of the list to the URL for that row's
      message.

  o  Add an export type that produces a file containing a list of URIs
      to each message in in the list.

  o  Add a hint to the UI that double-clicking on a row in the list
      will open a single-message view of the associated message in a
      separate view.
     
"in the list" means "in the message list display", doesn't it? That may be obvious in context, but I found myself wondering if someone could think things like "oh, they want a list of URIs to each message in the mailing list", or something equally confused.
     
"in (in) the list" has an extra "in", since I'm commenting on this text anyway.

[Ballot comment]

I have a requirement to ask about. Note that I am not trying
to convince you now to accept this if you don't want to, I'm
just asking for clarification, as to whether or not you mean
you'll meet my requirement. If your answer is "no, that's not
what's meant" then please do consider this as a new feature
request, and handle those as you think best, as part of this
work, or later, or never. Here's my question:

- Does section 3 mean that there'll be a way to get from the
usual https://mailarchive.ietf.org/ view to an equivalent
mhonarc view? I'd like if one could do that for an individual
message or (maybe) a thread. I'd be ok if that function
stopped working if we decided to not keep mhonarc archives
too, but I, and I think some others, prefer mhonarc's
simplicity when I don't need to search, and a lot of IETF list
information pages now send me to this new archive so having a
way to get to the mhonarc equivalent would be great. (That
might also be a way to meet some of your non-JS requirement
maybe?)

- section 2.7: thank you!

(Via drafts-lastcall-comment@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs:

IANA has reviewed draft-sparks-genarea-mailarch-improvements-02.txt, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments:

We understand that this document doesn't require any IANA actions.

While it's often helpful for a document's IANA Considerations section to remain in place upon publication even if there are no actions, if the authors strongly prefer to remove it, IANA does not object.

If this assessment is not accurate, please respond as soon as possible.

Thank you,

Sabrina Tanamal
IANA Specialist
ICANN

Document Write-up for draft-sparks-genarea-mailarch-improvements-02

(1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet
Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)?  Why is this the
proper type of RFC?  Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page
header?

  This document is intended for publication as an Informational RFC.
  It will serve as the Statement of Work (SOW) by the IAOC to contract
  for improvements to the IETF mail archive tools.


(2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement
Write-Up.  Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up.  Recent
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documents.  The approval announcement contains the following sections:

Technical Summary

  The IETF web-based email archive search tool was deployed in
  January 2014.  It was based on the requirements captured in
  RFC 6778.  This memo captures requirements for a set of
  improvements that have been identified during its initial
  years of community use.

Working Group Summary

  No IETF Working Group was involved in producing this document.
  This document has been reviewed by the IAOC Tools Committee.

Document Quality

  This document has been discussed by the IAOC Tools Committee, and it
  has been discussed on the tools-discuss mail list.  The vast majority
  of comments raised have been incorporated into the document.  As is
  often the case in sch discussions, some comments did not gain support
  from others, and these comments were not incorporated.

  Document Shepherd: Russ Housley

  Responsible Area Director: Jari Arkko


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  The document shepherd reviewed the document and participated in
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(4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or
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place.

  Review by the community during IETF Last Call is needed to confirm
  that the document captures all of the necessary improvements to
  the mail archive search tool.


(6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd
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(9) How solid is the consensus of the interested community behind this
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with others being silent, or does the interested community as a whole
understand and agree with it?

  This document has been discussed by the IAOC Tools Committee, and it
  has been discussed on the tools-discuss mail list.  However, everyone
  in the IETF community should have an opportunity to review the email
  archive search tool requirements.  IETF Last Call of this document
  will provide that opportunity.


(10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme
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Abstract


  The Web-based IETF email archive search tool based on the
  requirements captured in RFC6778 was deployed in January 2014.  This
  memo captures the requirements for a set of improvements that have
  been identified during its initial years of community use.




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AD review:

General

This is well written and points to key improvements that I also believe are necessary.

I have asked the draft to be forwarded for last call. In the meantime I have provided
some comments that are of editorial nature, and which you may address in a new
version if you so desire.

Editorial

I’d say “requests for improvements”, not “repeated requests”.

+1 to Section 2.4 requirement

I wonder how useful Section 2.7 requirement really is, but OK, I guess you did the analysis.

In Section 2.8, what is "correct IAOC designated logo appears consistently on all views.” You mean the IETF logo? Would you like to say that? Or maybe “IETF Trust designated”? I’m not sure I follow why you say IAOC in this context.

Jari