A Minimal Set of Transport Services for End Systems
RFC 8923
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2020-10-21
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11 | (System) | Received changes through RFC Editor sync (created alias RFC 8923, changed abstract to 'This document recommends a minimal set of Transport Services offered by … Received changes through RFC Editor sync (created alias RFC 8923, changed abstract to 'This document recommends a minimal set of Transport Services offered by end systems and gives guidance on choosing among the available mechanisms and protocols. It is based on the set of transport features in RFC 8303.', changed pages to 44, changed standardization level to Informational, changed state to RFC, added RFC published event at 2020-10-21, changed IESG state to RFC Published) |
2020-10-21
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11 | (System) | RFC published |
2020-09-28
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11 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to AUTH48-DONE from AUTH48 |
2020-09-21
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11 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to AUTH48 from RFC-EDITOR |
2020-06-15
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11 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to RFC-EDITOR from EDIT |
2020-04-27
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11 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to EDIT from MISSREF |
2019-05-08
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11 | Magnus Westerlund | Shepherding AD changed to Magnus Westerlund |
2018-10-02
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11 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to MISSREF |
2018-10-02
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11 | (System) | IESG state changed to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent |
2018-10-02
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11 | (System) | Announcement was received by RFC Editor |
2018-10-01
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11 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to No IANA Actions from In Progress |
2018-10-01
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11 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to In Progress |
2018-10-01
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11 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement sent from IESG Evaluation::AD Followup |
2018-10-01
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11 | Cindy Morgan | IESG has approved the document |
2018-10-01
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11 | Cindy Morgan | Closed "Approve" ballot |
2018-10-01
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11 | Cindy Morgan | Ballot approval text was generated |
2018-10-01
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11 | Cindy Morgan | Ballot writeup was changed |
2018-09-27
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11 | Michael Welzl | New version available: draft-ietf-taps-minset-11.txt |
2018-09-27
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11 | (System) | New version approved |
2018-09-27
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11 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Michael Welzl , Stein Gjessing |
2018-09-27
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11 | Michael Welzl | Uploaded new revision |
2018-09-21
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10 | Linda Dunbar | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR Completed: Ready. Reviewer: Linda Dunbar. Sent review to list. |
2018-09-19
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10 | Ben Niven-Jenkins | Request for Telechat review by RTGDIR Completed: Has Issues. Reviewer: Ben Niven-Jenkins. Sent review to list. |
2018-09-19
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10 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot comment] Thanks for addressing my DISCUSS point. Original COMMENT: It seems like this document will be in need of updating once QUIC is published. … [Ballot comment] Thanks for addressing my DISCUSS point. Original COMMENT: It seems like this document will be in need of updating once QUIC is published. Is the plan to publish this now and then publish an update next year? Why is that preferable to waiting and just publishing once? |
2018-09-19
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10 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Alissa Cooper has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2018-09-18
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10 | Benjamin Kaduk | [Ballot comment] Thank you for addressing my DISCUSS points; original comments retained below for posterity. As a former academic, I can see the appeal of … [Ballot comment] Thank you for addressing my DISCUSS points; original comments retained below for posterity. As a former academic, I can see the appeal of abstracting away details to get to a generic set of features that could allow the backend to do protocol selection and increase the usage of more modern/better-featured protocols. But in some sense this feels like it really wants to be defining an abstract API for transport services, making the feature set into an *interface*, and more directly enabling this automatic selection in the backend. Unfortunately, this particular description is perhaps too abstract to be translateable into "interoperable implementations" of an abstract API (that is, so that an application written for one instantiation of the API would be able to be used with a different instantiation of the API using only a thin shim layer). In particular, in Section 3.2 we are given the option for keeping grouping information within the transport abstraction (even when SCTP is not available) or reporting to the application that he attempt to group connections failed. An abstract API would also need to be quite clear on the semantics of the exposed routines; e.g., "timeout event when data could not be delivered for too long" is predicated on reliable delivery being requested, so an application should not try to use that event as a failsafe abort timer, since UDP does not provide reliable delivery at all, and the application won't know that UDP is/is not in use. So while my personal preference would be to see this document written in a very different way before publication, I have not technical grounds to insist on it, so my preference here is just a nonblocking objection. I agree with Ben that some of the content in the appendices probably ought to be pulled into the main body of the document. The Gen-ART review called out "ADDED" as being noteworthy; my only additional contribution is to ask whether "CHANGED FROM RFC8303" would be easier on the reader. Per-section comments follow. I think we need a reference for LEDBAT in Section 1 when it first shows up. (Also, RFC 6817 seems to say that the 'T' is "Transport", not "Transfer".) Section 2 has an interesting definition of socket, but I don't have an alternate term handy to reflect this concept without overloading the connotations of a POSIX socket. I may just be thinking too hard, but does "Hand over a message to reliably transfer (possibly multiple times) before connection establishment" mean that the data transfer of this message will complete prior to connection establishment, or merely that the application has handed data to the transport prior to connection establishment (but the data transfer will occur after connection establishment)? (The Appendices do help clear this up with concrete examples, but perhaps the text earlier in the document could be clarified?) Section 3.1 [...] This means that unacknowledged data residing a transport system's send buffer may have to be dropped from that buffer upon arrival of a "close" or "abort" notification from the peer. nit: Is this supposed to be "residing in"? Section A.1.1 I'm a little confused how the multiple-streams establishment features are "automatable". Coming at this from the perspective of an application that needs to know that multiple streams exist in order to concurrently send data on them, it seems non-automatable. But I assume there's a different sense in which the application can't really tell whether those "multiple streams" are related at the transport protocol level or it's just the transport abstraction that's tracking the group. I'm also a little unsure about "configure message fragmentation" being "automatable", given my understanding of how many fragmentation-intolrant networks there are. (But that's far from my area of expertise and any data I have would be stale, so I don't really have anything useful to say here.) o Disable checksum when sending Protocols: UDP Functional because application-specific knowledge is necessary to decide whether it can be acceptable to lose data integrity. Implementation: via SET_CHECKSUM_ENABLED.UDP. Implementation over TCP: do nothing (TCP does not offer to disable the checksum, but transmitting data with an intact checksum will not yield a semantically wrong result). (Also for receiving, "checksum coverage" topics, etc.). Please clarify that this is "data integrity with respect to random corruption" (as opposed to "source authentication and integrity protection" which would require more crypto). The notification of unsent/unacknowledged (part of a) message items are listed as automatable because the distinction is "network-specific". I agree that the distinction is something that can be made automatically, but I don't really understand how what "network" it is supposed to be that matters for the distinction. Section A.2 the following list, we therefore precede a transport feature with "T:" if an implementation over TCP is possible, "U:" if an implementation over UDP is possible, and "TU:" if an implementation over either TCP or UDP is possible. nit: It looks like "T,U:" is what's actually used, with the comma. Section A.3.2 With only these semantics necessary to represent, the interface to a transport system becomes easier if we assume that connections may be a transport protocol's connection or association, but could also be a stream of an existing SCTP association, for example. nit: is this missing a "not only" (or similar) in "may be not only a transport protocol's connection or association"? |
2018-09-18
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10 | Benjamin Kaduk | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Benjamin Kaduk has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2018-09-18
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10 | Michael Welzl | New version available: draft-ietf-taps-minset-10.txt |
2018-09-18
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10 | (System) | New version approved |
2018-09-18
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10 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Michael Welzl , Stein Gjessing |
2018-09-18
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10 | Michael Welzl | Uploaded new revision |
2018-09-17
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09 | Magnus Westerlund | Closed request for Last Call review by TSVART with state 'No Response' |
2018-09-13
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09 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation::AD Followup from IESG Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed |
2018-09-13
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09 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from Waiting for Writeup |
2018-09-13
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09 | Cindy Morgan | Changed consensus to Yes from Unknown |
2018-09-13
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09 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - No Actions Needed |
2018-09-13
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09 | Michael Welzl | New version available: draft-ietf-taps-minset-09.txt |
2018-09-13
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09 | (System) | New version approved |
2018-09-13
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09 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Michael Welzl , Stein Gjessing |
2018-09-13
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09 | Michael Welzl | Uploaded new revision |
2018-09-13
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08 | Suresh Krishnan | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Suresh Krishnan |
2018-09-13
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08 | Martin Vigoureux | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Martin Vigoureux |
2018-09-13
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08 | Ignas Bagdonas | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Ignas Bagdonas |
2018-09-13
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08 | Adam Roach | [Ballot comment] I support the first paragraph of Benjamin's DISCUSS. (For avoidance of doubt: I take no position on the remainder of his DISCUSS, and … [Ballot comment] I support the first paragraph of Benjamin's DISCUSS. (For avoidance of doubt: I take no position on the remainder of his DISCUSS, and in no way intend to diminish it by explicitly supporting a specific subset of his DISCUSS.) |
2018-09-13
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08 | Adam Roach | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Adam Roach |
2018-09-12
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08 | Eric Rescorla | [Ballot comment] Rich version of this review at: https://mozphab-ietf.devsvcdev.mozaws.net/D4808 IMPORTANT S 3.1. > - Is any of the following useful to the … [Ballot comment] Rich version of this review at: https://mozphab-ietf.devsvcdev.mozaws.net/D4808 IMPORTANT S 3.1. > - Is any of the following useful to the application? > * Specify checksum coverage used by the sender > * Specify minimum checksum coverage required by receiver > > Yes: UDP-Lite is preferred. > No: UDP is preferred. there seems to be something missing here wrt penetration rates. I.e., SCTP (absent UDP) does not reliably work for any client behind NATs, which means that it's not preferred for those clients regardless of the other benefits in this tree. COMMENTS S 1. > of libraries to use this transport feature without exposing it, based > on knowledge about the applications -- but this is not the general > case). In most situations, in the interest of being as flexible and > efficient as possible, the best choice will be for a library to > expose at least all of the transport features that are recommended as > a "minimal set" here. What is the bar for the requirements here. I.e., do you believe that all of these can be implemented with a standard sockets API. S 3. > > Based on the categorization, reduction, and discussion in Appendix A, > this section describes a minimal set of transport features that end > systems should offer. The described transport system can be > implemented over TCP. Elements of the system that are not marked > with "!UDP" can also be implemented over UDP. Does this mean over native UDP with no other session protocol. Because you can have TCP over UDP. S 3.2. > multiplexed as streams on a single SCTP association when SCTP may not > be available). The transport system must therefore ensure that > group- versus non-group-configurations are handled correctly in some > way (e.g., by applying the configuration to all grouped connections > even when they are not multiplexed, or informing the application > about grouping success or failure). How do you group connections in TCP? Or is this text saying it doesn't? S 7.2. > o Request to negotiate interleaving of user messages > Protocols: SCTP > Automatable because it requires using multiple streams, but > requesting multiple streams in the CONNECTION.ESTABLISHMENT > category is automatable. > Implementation: via a parameter in CONNECT.SCTP. I'm not sure I follow how this is automatable. Is the argument that SCTP will always do it, and so once you have asked for SCTP...? S 7.2. > > o Disable MPTCP > Protocols: MPTCP > Automatable because the usage of multiple paths to communicate to > the same end host relates to knowledge about the network, not the > application. I don't think I understand how this is automatable. Is the theory that the host auto-negotiates MPTCP? But what if the app doesn't want it no matter what. |
2018-09-12
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08 | Eric Rescorla | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Eric Rescorla |
2018-09-12
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08 | Benjamin Kaduk | [Ballot discuss] [My general summary view of this document is not really relevant to these Discuss points and appears in the COMMENT section.] This document … [Ballot discuss] [My general summary view of this document is not really relevant to these Discuss points and appears in the COMMENT section.] This document includes a general discussion of the features/services that IETF transport protocols (TCP, MPTCP, SCTP, UDP, etc.) provide ... and also throws in LEDBAT congestion control, with no real coverage of all the other congestion control schemes the IETF provides. It seems that there should be some text/justification of why LEDBAT (but none of the others) fall into the same categorization as the general transport features. As far as I can tell, the idea is that there can be a "low-impact background data transfer" feature/service, which LEDBAT attempts to provide, but I'm basing that on inference and not something explictily stated in the document. Section 3.3.2 and Appendix A.3.1 are limiting this "minimal set" of transport services to exclude discrete messages and allow only the provisioning for TCP-like byte streams. While I can understand the desire to make TCP the "gold standard", the surrounding discussion, particularly in A.3.1, seems to be a layering violation. That is, we are hearing that AFra-Bytestream requires receivers (i.e., applications) to be able to consume contiguous bytestreams. But this seems to really be a requirement on the application protocol to be self-framing (and to provide its own sequence numbers if needed)! Normally we think of an application protocol placing requirements on the transport, or a particular transport as being inappropriate for use with a given application protocol. So I think this document needs to more explicitly acknowledge that this is not a "generic minimal set" of transport features, but rather a minimal set that is applicable for many, but not all, applications: some application protocols have requirements that are not met by this "minimal set". In Section A.3.6, "Data encryption" and "source authenticity" are absent from the list of "security related transport features" (that are relegated to the other document); this seems like a fatal omission. |
2018-09-12
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08 | Benjamin Kaduk | [Ballot comment] As a former academic, I can see the appeal of abstracting away details to get to a generic set of features that could … [Ballot comment] As a former academic, I can see the appeal of abstracting away details to get to a generic set of features that could allow the backend to do protocol selection and increase the usage of more modern/better-featured protocols. But in some sense this feels like it really wants to be defining an abstract API for transport services, making the feature set into an *interface*, and more directly enabling this automatic selection in the backend. Unfortunately, this particular description is perhaps too abstract to be translateable into "interoperable implementations" of an abstract API (that is, so that an application written for one instantiation of the API would be able to be used with a different instantiation of the API using only a thin shim layer). In particular, in Section 3.2 we are given the option for keeping grouping information within the transport abstraction (even when SCTP is not available) or reporting to the application that he attempt to group connections failed. An abstract API would also need to be quite clear on the semantics of the exposed routines; e.g., "timeout event when data could not be delivered for too long" is predicated on reliable delivery being requested, so an application should not try to use that event as a failsafe abort timer, since UDP does not provide reliable delivery at all, and the application won't know that UDP is/is not in use. So while my personal preference would be to see this document written in a very different way before publication, I have not technical grounds to insist on it, so my preference here is just a nonblocking objection. I agree with Ben that some of the content in the appendices probably ought to be pulled into the main body of the document. The Gen-ART review called out "ADDED" as being noteworthy; my only additional contribution is to ask whether "CHANGED FROM RFC8303" would be easier on the reader. Per-section comments follow. I think we need a reference for LEDBAT in Section 1 when it first shows up. (Also, RFC 6817 seems to say that the 'T' is "Transport", not "Transfer".) Section 2 has an interesting definition of socket, but I don't have an alternate term handy to reflect this concept without overloading the connotations of a POSIX socket. I may just be thinking too hard, but does "Hand over a message to reliably transfer (possibly multiple times) before connection establishment" mean that the data transfer of this message will complete prior to connection establishment, or merely that the application has handed data to the transport prior to connection establishment (but the data transfer will occur after connection establishment)? (The Appendices do help clear this up with concrete examples, but perhaps the text earlier in the document could be clarified?) Section 3.1 [...] This means that unacknowledged data residing a transport system's send buffer may have to be dropped from that buffer upon arrival of a "close" or "abort" notification from the peer. nit: Is this supposed to be "residing in"? Section A.1.1 I'm a little confused how the multiple-streams establishment features are "automatable". Coming at this from the perspective of an application that needs to know that multiple streams exist in order to concurrently send data on them, it seems non-automatable. But I assume there's a different sense in which the application can't really tell whether those "multiple streams" are related at the transport protocol level or it's just the transport abstraction that's tracking the group. I'm also a little unsure about "configure message fragmentation" being "automatable", given my understanding of how many fragmentation-intolrant networks there are. (But that's far from my area of expertise and any data I have would be stale, so I don't really have anything useful to say here.) o Disable checksum when sending Protocols: UDP Functional because application-specific knowledge is necessary to decide whether it can be acceptable to lose data integrity. Implementation: via SET_CHECKSUM_ENABLED.UDP. Implementation over TCP: do nothing (TCP does not offer to disable the checksum, but transmitting data with an intact checksum will not yield a semantically wrong result). (Also for receiving, "checksum coverage" topics, etc.). Please clarify that this is "data integrity with respect to random corruption" (as opposed to "source authentication and integrity protection" which would require more crypto). The notification of unsent/unacknowledged (part of a) message items are listed as automatable because the distinction is "network-specific". I agree that the distinction is something that can be made automatically, but I don't really understand how what "network" it is supposed to be that matters for the distinction. Section A.2 the following list, we therefore precede a transport feature with "T:" if an implementation over TCP is possible, "U:" if an implementation over UDP is possible, and "TU:" if an implementation over either TCP or UDP is possible. nit: It looks like "T,U:" is what's actually used, with the comma. Section A.3.2 With only these semantics necessary to represent, the interface to a transport system becomes easier if we assume that connections may be a transport protocol's connection or association, but could also be a stream of an existing SCTP association, for example. nit: is this missing a "not only" (or similar) in "may be not only a transport protocol's connection or association"? |
2018-09-12
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08 | Benjamin Kaduk | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Benjamin Kaduk |
2018-09-12
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08 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot discuss] I was wondering about why this document is going for informational rather than proposed standard. I see that draft-ietf-taps-interface-01 has a normative reference … [Ballot discuss] I was wondering about why this document is going for informational rather than proposed standard. I see that draft-ietf-taps-interface-01 has a normative reference to it, so this is effectively setting up a downref situation. That isn't necessarily a problem, but if the point is for this document to recommend an actual minimal set of transport services to be supported and exposed via the API specified in draft-ietf-taps-interface and other APIs, shouldn't that set be normative? |
2018-09-12
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08 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot comment] It seems like this document will be in need of updating once QUIC is published. Is the plan to publish this now and … [Ballot comment] It seems like this document will be in need of updating once QUIC is published. Is the plan to publish this now and then publish an update next year? Why is that preferable to waiting and just publishing once? |
2018-09-12
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08 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Alissa Cooper |
2018-09-12
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08 | Deborah Brungard | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Deborah Brungard |
2018-09-12
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08 | Terry Manderson | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Terry Manderson |
2018-09-11
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08 | Ben Campbell | [Ballot comment] General: It's not clear to me who the target audience is for this draft or what the purpose is for publishing it as … [Ballot comment] General: It's not clear to me who the target audience is for this draft or what the purpose is for publishing it as an RFC. It seems like an internal working group document that won't have much archival value once the interfaces are published. It seems telling that Appendix A (which IIUC is entirely historical) is almost twice as long as the body of the draft. But I see that it is in fact chartered work, so I'm balloting "No Objection". Otherwise, I just have a few editorial comments: General: The annotation "(!UDP)" is used throughout. I can guess the meaning, but it would be better to explicitly state it. Also, it seems odd to find that sort of annotation imbedded in paragraph form text. §1: Please include a citation for the "Berkeley Sockets Interface". (Maybe the POSIX specs?) §3.1, section title: What is the meaning of using all-caps here? It would help to include some description of the typographical convention. (This repeats in some other sections). §3.1 "We caution implementers to be aware of the full set of trade-offs, for which we recommend consulting the list in Appendix A.2.1 when deciding how to initialize a connection." If there is content in an Appendix that is risky for an implementor to skip, please consider moving it into the body. People regularly skip reading appendices. |
2018-09-11
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08 | Ben Campbell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Ben Campbell |
2018-09-11
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08 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot comment] Mostly just a nit... What is an end system? I was curious to see the definition to get an idea of who the … [Ballot comment] Mostly just a nit... What is an end system? I was curious to see the definition to get an idea of who the recommendations in this document are for. I assumed pretty much any device is an end system; the Introduction seems to focus on applications as the users of the transport services (which obviously makes sense). There is no definition of "end system" in the document. But there is one for endpoint: "an entity that communicates with one or more other endpoints using a transport protocol." Hmmm...so an endpoint is one that communicates with other endpoints. Just what I thought! ;-) Seriously... The terminology may not be obvious to the casual reader. It would be nice to at least be consistent in the terminology/description. BTW, all the terminology in §2 is pretty much the same as what is already defined in rfc8303. |
2018-09-11
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08 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Alvaro Retana |
2018-09-10
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08 | Min Ye | Request for Telechat review by RTGDIR is assigned to Ben Niven-Jenkins |
2018-09-10
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08 | Min Ye | Request for Telechat review by RTGDIR is assigned to Ben Niven-Jenkins |
2018-09-07
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08 | Mirja Kühlewind | [Ballot comment] Rereading this doc again, I still have a couple of mostly editorial comments (however, none of them are critical in any way): 1) … [Ballot comment] Rereading this doc again, I still have a couple of mostly editorial comments (however, none of them are critical in any way): 1) In the terminology section I think "Transport Service Instance" is actually never used in this doc and could therefore be removed. Please also double-check if service and feature is used coherently; I thought there were one or two cases where I would have expected to see feature instead of service. And finally Connection Group is explain there, however, given it is a new term and important concept, I would recommend to introduce it anyway separately in the intro as well. 2) Not sure if the paragraph in the intro about "one-sided" deployment is needed there, given that this doc does not/should not really talk about any deployment considerations for an taps system. 3) In section 3 I find this sentence a bit confusing: "The described transport system can be implemented over TCP." This sentence leaves open if other protocols can be implemented as well. However, I guess what you actually what to say is something like "Any configuration based the described minimum set of transport feature can always be realized over TCP but also gives the transport system flexibility to choose another transport if implemented." Or something like this. I think a clarification would be helpful to make clear that there is no direct dependency on TCP. 4) I personally still think that having this example decision tree in section 3.1 puts to much emphasis on this specific example (that "only" covers TCP, SCTP, and UDP(-Lite)) and I would rather move it to the appendix (or maybe create an own subsection somehow). 5) In section 3.1 the paragraph starting with "Once a connection is created..." seems redundant with section 3.2.1 and could potentially be just removed. 6) sec 3.3.1: "Note that applications sending unreliable data without congestion control should themselves perform congestion control in accordance with [RFC2914]." I guess the better reference is RFC8085 (if this sentence is needed at all). 7) Why is "Configure checksum usage" (only) applicable to individual connections? |
2018-09-07
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08 | Mirja Kühlewind | Ballot comment text updated for Mirja Kühlewind |
2018-09-07
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08 | Mirja Kühlewind | [Ballot comment] Rereading this doc again, I still have a couple of mostly editorial comments (however, none of them are critical in any way): 1) … [Ballot comment] Rereading this doc again, I still have a couple of mostly editorial comments (however, none of them are critical in any way): 1) In the terminology section I think "Transport Service Instance" is actually never used in this doc and could therefore be removed. Please also double-check if service and feature is used coherently; I thought there were one or two cases where I would have expected to see feature instead of service. And finally Connection Group is explain there, however, given it is a new term and important concept, I would recommend to introduce it anyway separately in the intro as well. 2) Not sure if the paragraph in the intro about "one-sided" deployment is needed there, given that this doc does not/should not really talk about any deployment considerations for an taps system. 3) In section 3 I find this sentence a bit confusing: "The described transport system can be implemented over TCP." This sentence leaves open if other protocols can be implemented as well. However, I guess what you actually what to say is something like "Any configuration based the described minimum set of transport feature can always be realized over TCP but also gives the transport system flexibility to choose another transport if implemented." Or something like this. I think a clarification would be helpful to make clear that there is no direct dependency on TCP. 4) I personally still think that having this example decision tree in section 3.1 puts to much emphasis on this specific example (that "only" covers TCP, SCTP, and UDP(-Lite)) and I would rather move it to the appendix (or maybe create an own subsection somehow). 5) In section 3.1 the paragraph starting with "Once a connection is created..." seems redundant with section 3.2.1 and could potentially be just removed. 6) sec 3.3.1: "Note that applications sending unreliable data without congestion control should themselves perform congestion control in accordance with [RFC2914]." I guess the better reference is RFC8085 (if this sentence is needed at all). 7) Why is "Configure checksum usage" (only) applicable to individual connections? |
2018-09-07
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08 | Mirja Kühlewind | Ballot comment text updated for Mirja Kühlewind |
2018-09-07
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08 | Mirja Kühlewind | [Ballot comment] Rereading this doc again, I still have a couple of mostly editorial comments (however, none of them are critial in any way): 1) … [Ballot comment] Rereading this doc again, I still have a couple of mostly editorial comments (however, none of them are critial in any way): 1) In the terminolgy section I think "Transport Service Instance" is actually never used in this doc and could therefore be removed. Please also double-check if service and feature is used coherently; I thought there were one or two cases where I would have expected to see feature instead of service. And finally Connection Group is explain there, however, given it is a new term and important concept, I would recommend to introduce it anyway separately in the intro as well. 2) Not sure if the paragraph in the intro about "one-sided" deployment is needed there, given that this doc does not/shoud not really talk about any deployment considerations for an taps system. 3) In section 3 I find this setence a bit confusing: "The described transport system can be implemented over TCP." This sentence leaves open if other protocols can be implemented as well. However, I guess what you actually what to say is something like "Any configuration based the described minimum set of transport feature can always be realized over TCP but also gives the transport system flexibilty to choose another transport if implemented." Or something like this. I think a clarification would be helpful to make clear that there is no direct dependency on TCP. 4) I personally still think that having this example decision tree in section 3.1 puts to much emphasis on this specific example (that "only" covers TCP, SCTP, and UDP(-Lite)) and I would rather move it to the appendix (or maybe create an own subsection somehow). 5) In secton 3.1 the paragraph starting with "Once a connection is created..." seems redundant with section 3.2.1 and could potentially be just removed. 6) sec 3.3.1: "Note that applications sending unreliable data without congestion control should themselves perform congestion control in accordance with [RFC2914]." I guess the better reference is RFC8085 (if this sentence is needed at all). 7) Why is "Configure checksum usage" (only) applicable to individual connections? |
2018-09-07
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08 | Mirja Kühlewind | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Mirja Kühlewind |
2018-09-06
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08 | Robert Sparks | Request for Telechat review by GENART Completed: Ready. Reviewer: Robert Sparks. Sent review to list. |
2018-09-06
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08 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Telechat review by GENART is assigned to Robert Sparks |
2018-09-06
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08 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Telechat review by GENART is assigned to Robert Sparks |
2018-09-05
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08 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed from Version Changed - Review Needed |
2018-09-05
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08 | Michael Welzl | New version available: draft-ietf-taps-minset-08.txt |
2018-09-05
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08 | (System) | New version approved |
2018-09-05
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08 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Michael Welzl , Stein Gjessing |
2018-09-05
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08 | Michael Welzl | Uploaded new revision |
2018-09-05
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07 | Amy Vezza | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2018-09-13 |
2018-09-04
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07 | Spencer Dawkins | Ballot has been issued |
2018-09-04
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07 | Spencer Dawkins | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Spencer Dawkins |
2018-09-04
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07 | Spencer Dawkins | Created "Approve" ballot |
2018-09-04
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07 | Spencer Dawkins | Ballot writeup was changed |
2018-09-04
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07 | (System) | IESG state changed to Waiting for Writeup from In Last Call |
2018-09-03
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07 | Magnus Westerlund | Request for Last Call review by TSVART is assigned to Bernard Aboba |
2018-09-03
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07 | Magnus Westerlund | Request for Last Call review by TSVART is assigned to Bernard Aboba |
2018-09-02
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07 | Min Ye | Request for Telechat review by RTGDIR is assigned to Thomas Morin |
2018-09-02
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07 | Min Ye | Request for Telechat review by RTGDIR is assigned to Thomas Morin |
2018-08-31
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07 | Alvaro Retana | Requested Telechat review by RTGDIR |
2018-08-31
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07 | Michael Welzl | New version available: draft-ietf-taps-minset-07.txt |
2018-08-31
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07 | (System) | New version approved |
2018-08-31
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07 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Michael Welzl , Stein Gjessing |
2018-08-31
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07 | Michael Welzl | Uploaded new revision |
2018-08-28
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06 | Robert Sparks | Request for Last Call review by GENART Completed: Ready with Nits. Reviewer: Robert Sparks. Sent review to list. |
2018-08-26
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06 | Yaron Sheffer | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR Completed: Not Ready. Reviewer: Yaron Sheffer. Sent review to list. |
2018-08-23
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06 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Robert Sparks |
2018-08-23
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06 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Robert Sparks |
2018-08-23
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06 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Yaron Sheffer |
2018-08-23
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06 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Yaron Sheffer |
2018-08-22
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06 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - No Actions Needed |
2018-08-22
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06 | Michael Welzl | New version available: draft-ietf-taps-minset-06.txt |
2018-08-22
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06 | (System) | New version approved |
2018-08-22
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06 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Michael Welzl , Stein Gjessing |
2018-08-22
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06 | Michael Welzl | Uploaded new revision |
2018-08-22
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05 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Linda Dunbar |
2018-08-22
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05 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Linda Dunbar |
2018-08-21
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05 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed from IANA - Review Needed |
2018-08-21
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05 | Sabrina Tanamal | (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Functions Operator has reviewed draft-ietf-taps-minset-05, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We … (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Functions Operator has reviewed draft-ietf-taps-minset-05, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We understand that this document doesn't require any registry actions. While it's often helpful for a document's IANA Considerations section to remain in place upon publication even if there are no actions, if the authors strongly prefer to remove it, we do not object. If this assessment is not accurate, please respond as soon as possible. Thank you, Sabrina Tanamal Senior IANA Services Specialist |
2018-08-21
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05 | Amy Vezza | IANA Review state changed to IANA - Review Needed |
2018-08-21
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05 | Amy Vezza | The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2018-09-04): From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: draft-ietf-taps-minset@ietf.org, Theresa Enghardt , theresa@inet.tu-berlin.de, taps-chairs@ietf.org, … The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2018-09-04): From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: draft-ietf-taps-minset@ietf.org, Theresa Enghardt , theresa@inet.tu-berlin.de, taps-chairs@ietf.org, spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com, taps@ietf.org Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (A Minimal Set of Transport Services for End Systems) to Informational RFC The IESG has received a request from the Transport Services WG (taps) to consider the following document: - 'A Minimal Set of Transport Services for End Systems' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2018-09-04. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This draft recommends a minimal set of Transport Services offered by end systems, and gives guidance on choosing among the available mechanisms and protocols. It is based on the set of transport features in RFC 8303. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-taps-minset/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-taps-minset/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. |
2018-08-21
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05 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2018-08-21
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05 | Spencer Dawkins | Last call was requested |
2018-08-21
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05 | Spencer Dawkins | Last call announcement was generated |
2018-08-21
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05 | Spencer Dawkins | Ballot approval text was generated |
2018-08-21
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05 | Spencer Dawkins | Ballot writeup was generated |
2018-08-21
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05 | Spencer Dawkins | IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation::AD Followup |
2018-08-20
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05 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed |
2018-08-20
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05 | Michael Welzl | New version available: draft-ietf-taps-minset-05.txt |
2018-08-20
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05 | (System) | New version approved |
2018-08-20
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05 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Michael Welzl , Stein Gjessing |
2018-08-20
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05 | Michael Welzl | Uploaded new revision |
2018-08-20
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04 | Reese Enghardt | 1. Summary The document shepherd is Theresa Enghardt. The responsible Area Director is Spencer Dawkins. This document recommends a minimal set of transport services offered … 1. Summary The document shepherd is Theresa Enghardt. The responsible Area Director is Spencer Dawkins. This document recommends a minimal set of transport services offered by end systems, based on the set of existing transport protocol features surveyed in RFC 8303. It summarizes which transport features are worth exposing to an application, in contrast to those which can be automated within a transport system, addressing TAPS agenda item 2. Furthermore, the document gives guidance on choosing among the available mechanisms and protocols. The intended publication type is Informational, as the document provides useful information about transport services. Its Appendix documents the Working Group's bottom-up process of finding the right abstraction for the transport system interface. 2. Review and Consensus As this document generalizes and categorizes primitives that are already standardized in the RFC series, there was few controversy about them. Initially, there was not a lot of interest in this agenda item, but eventually the document was extensively reviewed and discussed by half a dozen active Working Group participants. In addition, on WGLC the body of the document was reviewed by a person who had not read the document before, who found it easy to understand and ready for publication. Much of the discussion was about coming up with consistent terminology and about finding the right scope, which now focuses on features of existing transport protocols that can be implemented over TCP, or UDP if certain limitations are put in place. It was discussed whether to include security features, and finally after broadening the TAPS charter, they were put in a separate document. 3. Intellectual Property This document introduces no new technologies beyond those already published. 4. Other Points There are no normative downward references and no IANA considerations. |
2018-08-03
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04 | Spencer Dawkins | IESG state changed to AD Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from AD Evaluation |
2018-07-19
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04 | Spencer Dawkins | IESG state changed to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested |
2018-07-19
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04 | Aaron Falk | Responsible AD changed to Spencer Dawkins |
2018-07-19
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04 | Aaron Falk | IETF WG state changed to Submitted to IESG for Publication from In WG Last Call |
2018-07-19
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04 | Aaron Falk | IESG state changed to Publication Requested |
2018-07-19
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04 | Aaron Falk | IESG process started in state Publication Requested |
2018-06-05
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04 | Michael Welzl | New version available: draft-ietf-taps-minset-04.txt |
2018-06-05
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04 | (System) | New version approved |
2018-06-05
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04 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Michael Welzl , Stein Gjessing |
2018-06-05
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04 | Michael Welzl | Uploaded new revision |
2018-05-17
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03 | Aaron Falk | Notification list changed to Theresa Enghardt <theresa@inet.tu-berlin.de> |
2018-05-17
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03 | Aaron Falk | Document shepherd changed to Theresa Enghardt |
2018-05-10
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03 | Aaron Falk | IETF WG state changed to In WG Last Call from WG Document |
2018-05-10
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03 | Aaron Falk | Intended Status changed to Informational from None |
2018-03-21
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03 | Michael Welzl | New version available: draft-ietf-taps-minset-03.txt |
2018-03-21
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03 | (System) | New version approved |
2018-03-21
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03 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Michael Welzl , Stein Gjessing |
2018-03-21
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03 | Michael Welzl | Uploaded new revision |
2018-02-28
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02 | Michael Welzl | New version available: draft-ietf-taps-minset-02.txt |
2018-02-28
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02 | (System) | New version approved |
2018-02-28
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02 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Michael Welzl , Stein Gjessing |
2018-02-28
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02 | Michael Welzl | Uploaded new revision |
2018-02-06
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01 | Michael Welzl | New version available: draft-ietf-taps-minset-01.txt |
2018-02-06
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01 | (System) | New version approved |
2018-02-06
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01 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Michael Welzl , Stein Gjessing |
2018-02-06
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01 | Michael Welzl | Uploaded new revision |
2017-11-11
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00 | Aaron Falk | Added to session: IETF-100: taps Tue-0930 |
2017-10-22
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00 | Aaron Falk | This document now replaces draft-gjessing-taps-minset instead of None |
2017-10-22
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00 | Michael Welzl | New version available: draft-ietf-taps-minset-00.txt |
2017-10-22
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00 | (System) | WG -00 approved |
2017-10-22
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00 | Michael Welzl | Set submitter to "Michael Welzl ", replaces to draft-gjessing-taps-minset and sent approval email to group chairs: taps-chairs@ietf.org |
2017-10-22
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00 | Michael Welzl | Uploaded new revision |