2014-06-18: Minutes
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IAB, IESG and IEEE 802 Executive Committee
Minutes of the 18 June 2014 Virtual Meeting

Reported by: Amy Vezza, IETF Secretariat


ATTENDEES
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Richard Barnes
Benoit Claise
Alissa Cooper
Donald Eastlake
Adrian Farrel
Stephen Farrell
Norman Finn
Brian Haberman
Bob Heile
Russ Housley
Pat Kinney
David Law
Pete Resnick
Dan Romascanu
Dorothy Stanley
Pat Thaler
Amy Vezza
Juan Carlos Zuniga

1. Roll Call, Agenda Bashing, Minutes Approval

  The minutes of the 27 January 2014 virtual meeting were approved.

2. Review of Other Action Items from Previous Meetings (not part of the 
shared items list)

CLOSED

- Cindy Morgan to check the attendance numbers from previous face-to-
  face meetings and send to Jon Rosdahl and Ray Pelletier for planning 
  purposes.

- Bernard Aboba to send ask Alissa Cooper as head of the IAB Privacy 
  Program about running the Privacy Tutorial for IEEE 802.

- Dan Romascanu to set up a Doodle poll for the next coordination 
  teleconference, week of 16 June 2014.

- Juan Carlos Zuniga and Max Riegel to write a more focused description 
  for item 11 on the shared work items list.

- Dan Romascanu to finalize the input from Benoit Claise into the 
  description of item 22 on the shared work items list.

IN PROGRESS

- Juan Carlos Zuniga and Ted Lemon to draft a description of new shared 
  work item on naming layer 2 networks. 

- Stephen Farrell to draft a description for a shared work item on 
  pervasive monitoring for the shared work items list.


3. Agenda for the September 29 f2f meeting (preliminary)
- relations and cooperation with other SDOs 
- local address management in IoT environments
- L2/L3 QoS mechanisms awareness
- other? 


Dan Romascanu introduced the two principal goals for the September 29, 
2014 face to face meeting.
 - Renewal of IETF and IEEE 802 EC membership because of the nomination 
cycles.
 - The teleconferences are effective in managing day to day items, so 
face to face time should be reserved for strategic, difficult or long-
term items.

A short list of items for the agenda.

 * Relations and cooperation with other SDOs including high-level 
discussions in the political layers

 * Local address management in IoT environment.

Pat Thaler elaborated on this item to introduce the possibility of a 
pervasive monitoring discussion via tracking movement of people via 
mobile devices.  Is there something IEEE can learn by talking with the 
IETF?

 * L2/L3 QoS mechanisms awareness

Pat Thaler mentioned there is not much connection between L2 QoS and L3 
QoS.  In 802.1 they have been creating a lot of new QoS and there hasn't 
been a lot of awareness the work is happening and is worth discussing.

Dorothy Stanley would like to have pervasive monitoring on the agenda 
for the face to face meeting, but would like to decide after the July 
meetings.

Pat Thaler mentioned the OmniRAN project, and whether the IETF would 
like an update.  Dan Romascanu mention that OmniRAN is already discussed 
via the Areas of Shared Interest document. 

Dorothy Stanley wanted to know if the announcement went out with the 
meeting location information.  Pat Thaler mentioned the contract with 
the venue hasn't been signed yet so the announcement has not gone out, 
but the location would be a Newark Airport hotel.

Dorothy asked the status of RFC 4441rev. Dan Romascanu mentioned that 
the document is in AUTH48 in the RFC Editor queue. It will be RFC 7241 
when it is published.
 
4. July 2014 meetings 
- short pass on the IETF BOFs and IEEE 802 PARs that may be relevant to 
IEEE 802 and IETF coordination
	- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart#
	- http://www.ieee802.org/PARs.shtml
- Tutorials 

IEEE PARs:

As of this meeting the IEEE new PARs list was not public. Dan Romascanu 
wanted to know if there was anything that was useful for the IETF to 
know. 

David Law read through the list of PARs that he had access to.

802.AEcg - media access control
802.1ARce - secure device identity 

802.3bv - Proposal to add new media to Ethernet
802.3bw - Single twisted pair for automotive Ethernet

Pat Thaler mentioned these are both automotive physical layers for 
inside a car or truck for short distances.

802.11ah - extension request
802.11ai - extension request

David Law mentioned these are both extension requests. Dorothy Stanley 
mentioned they are both making substantial progress, but the initial 
four year timeline is running tight so they are going up for an 
extension for their timeline.

802.15.4s - Spectrum management atributes

Bob Heile reported this is a vehicle aimed at coexistence improvement 
for 15.4 within the 2.4 band.

802.22.3 – Spectrum Occupancy Sensing (SOS) measurement devices and 
means that enable multiple devices

Tutorials:

Dan Romascanu mentioned two tutorials at the IEEE in collaboration with 
the IETF.  One is the Privacy tutorial and the other is the NETCONF and 
YANG tutorial which will be run by Andy Bierman. 

Pat Thaler spoke about the Wednesday emerging technologies session and 
how they might affect the work in 802. It will include short 
presentations and open discussion. The session is scheduled in the 
evening July 16, 2014 6:30-9:00pm.

IETF BoFs:

Norman Finn requested the procedure to have a pre-BoF (or "bar BoF") 
meeting at an IETF meeting.  Adrian mentioned it was as easy as finding 
a bar and having a meeting.  Pat Thaler mentioned there is a way to 
request a meeting room.  Russ agreed, but that it was better to do the 
first one in a bar.  Brian Haberman mentioned the RFC that discussed 
successful bar BoFs is RFC 6771.

5. Areas of shared interest between the IETF and IEEE 802.  Review of 
the list of items, status and action items - discussion led by Pat and  
Dan

 3. IETF NVO3 and IEEE 802.1 DCB

Adrian Farrel reported that the NVO3 framework document, 
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-nvo3-framework/, has 
completed IETF last call and IESG evaluation. It has some small security 
issues to be explained in detail, but will likely be approved for 
publication as an RFC relatively soon.
 
The specification of VXLAN has been documented by authors from a number 
of companies to provide a basis for interoperable implementation. 
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mahalingam-dutt-dcops-vxlan/ The 
document was shown to the IETF via a last call, but is being published 
on the Independent Stream (that is, not as an output of the IETF). The 
IESG has agreed that this document does not conflict with work being 
done in the IETF, and the publication process now sits with the 
independent Stream Editor. 

 5. Effect of virtualization on IEEE 802 architecture

It was reported that there were no updates, this item is close to 
closing, but the work continues.

 7: IETF Ethernet MIB, ADSL MIB and IEEE 802.3

Benoit Claise reported that draft-ietf-opsawg-rfc5066bis has been 
published as RFC 7124  but that the initial transition document has not 
been completed.  They have identified a new editor for the proposed 
document. The current draft of the transition document has been posted 
as draft-taylor-opsawg-mibs-to-ieee80231.

Dan Romascanu suggested they may need a participant from IEEE 802.3 for 
this work item. Pat Thaler identified Howard Frasier as the appropriate 
contact for IEEE 802.3. 


 9. IETF PAWS WG and 802.11, 802.19, 802.22

Pete Resnick reported that the protocol document (draft-ietf-paws-
protocol) has been stuck, but expect an IETF Last Call soon.  They 
haven't completed the bootstrapping part of the protocol, and are 
waiting on whether that is necessary.  Pete mentioned that he will 
forward the Last Call to the list so it can be disseminated from there.

 11. IETF Mobile IP and EC OmniRAN Study Group

Dan Romascanu mentioned that there was new description proposed recently 
that didn't make it into the document yet, but is available on the 
mailing list where the group can read and comment. Dan mention this is a 
possible item for the September face to face meeting agenda.

 15. IETF RADIUS attributes for IEEE 802 networks

Benoit Claise reported that draft-ietf-radext-ieee802ext is currently in 
the RFC-editor queue. The document is in the AUTH48, as RFC7268-to-be.  
See http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc7268-lastdiff.html Three 
authors have mentioned their final approval already.

 19. Common OAM proposal

Donald Eastlake mentioned 802.1 sent a liaison to the IETF allocating a 
block of code points in the 802.1 OAM protocol.  The IANA registries 
exist. The TRILL OAM main documents (draft-ietf-trill-oam-fm and draft-
ietf-trill-loss-delay) are in area director review and should go to IETF 
Last Call soon. 

Dan Romascanu mentioned that there is a BoF proposal for IETF 90 on OAM 
(Transport Independent OAM in Multi-Layer network Entity (TIME)).  If 
anyone is interested in topic, it will get a spot in the OPS area open 
AREA meeting in IETF 90.

 21. 6tsch

Bob Heile updated that they have set up a group in 802.15 that would be 
the companion to the IETF 6TSCH. There has been a lot of cross-
participation. 

Pat Kinney mentioned that they were participating with the weekly calls 
and a number of are planning to attend IETF 90.

 22. CAPWAP extensions in OPSAWG

Benoit Claise reported on draft-ietf-opsawg-capwap-hybridmac, draft-
ietf-opsawg-capwap-extension, and  draft-ietf-opsawg-capwap-alt-tunnel. 

 - draft-ietf-opsawg-capwap-hybridmac has been through working group 
last call, and are waiting on a revised document. Dorothy Stanley 
mentioned that the document came to 802.11 in May and was addressed via 
a response.  The 802.11 response was that the work was out of scope for .11.

 - draft-ietf-opsawg-capwap-extension is waiting for IEEE 802.11 review 
feedback.  Pat Thaler mentioned this will be discussed in July.

 - For draft-ietf-opsawg-capwap-alt-tunnel a liaison statement was sent 
to IEEE to make sure they were informed of this new work item.  No 
negative response so the working group began work on it.

6. Review of Action Items

Dan Romascanu mentioned two items that did not make it to the list: 

One draft has been circulated from RFC Editor draft-avula-shwmp which is 
being reviewed in 802.11 at the request of the RFC Editor. 

The second is an item from the IETF HIP working group, a request for 
coordination with 802.15 for access to .15 documents.

No new Action Items.  Two Action Items continue In Progress:

- Juan Carlos Zuniga and Ted Lemon to draft a description of new shared 
  work item on naming layer 2 networks. 

- Stephen Farrell to draft a description for a shared work item on 
  pervasive monitoring for the shared work items list.