2016-02-01: Minutes
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IAB, IESG and IEEE 802 Executive Committee
Minutes of the 1 February 2016 Virtual Meeting

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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 Jari Arkko
 Alia Atlas
 Deborah Brungard
 Benoit Claise  
 Alissa Cooper
 Spencer Dawkins  
 Ralph Droms
 Janos Farkas 
 Norman Finn
 Eric Gray
 Bob Heile
 Russ Housley
 Pat Kinney
 Jouni Korhonen
 Mirja Kuehlewind
 John Messenger
 Cindy Morgan 
 Alvaro Retano
 Jon Rosdahl
 Dan Romascanu    
 Pat Thaler  
 Pascal Thubert  

REGRETS
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 Donald Eastlake 
 Dorothy Stanley


MINUTES
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1. Roll Call, Agenda Bashing, Minutes Approval

  Dan Romascanu informed the IEEE 802 participants about the recent 
  announcements by NomCom about the IESG and IAB members selection. 
  Mirja Kuehlewind (incoming Transport AD) introduced herself. Benoit 
  Claise forwarded the two NomCom announcements to the mail list.

  No new items were added to the agenda.

  The minutes of the 29 September 2015 meeting were approved.


2. Review of Other Action Items from Previous Meetings 

 IN PROGRESS:

  - Dan Romascanu and Pat Thaler to work on finding a time for a face 
    to face later in 2016.

 DONE:

  - Mikael Abrahamsson (IETF) and Dorothy Stanley (802.11) to 
    coordinate for a presentation of a discussion of 802.11 
    functionality for the INTAREA WG at IETF 94. Juan Carlos Zuniga as 
    INTAREA WG co-chair to put it on the WG's agenda for IETF 94.


3. 2016 Face to Face meeting  

  The group discussed potential dates for a face-to-face meeting in 
  2016. Dan Romascanu will send out a Doodle poll asking whether people 
  are available on the following dates:

   - 9 May 2016 (Boston/Cambridge, MA)
   - 13 May 2016 (Boston/Cambridge, MA)
   - 7 September 2016 (East Coast US or Europe)
   - 8 September 2016 (East Coast US or Europe)
   - 9 September 2016 (East Coast US or Europe)

  Jari Arkko asked the group to start thinking about potential agenda 
  items for the face-to-face meeting. Pat Thaler suggested the 
  definition of 5G as a potential item. Bob Heile suggested the 802.15.4 
  upper layer interface as another possible topic.

  Dan Romascanu reminded the group that the coordination team has also 
  been meeting for breakfast on the Wednesdays of IETF meeting weeks.


4. March/April 2016 meetings 

  Dan Romascanu noted that it was still early, and that IETF BOFs and 
  IEEE 802 PARs have not all been submitted for the spring IETF and 802 
  Plenary meetings.

  o IETF BOFs (see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart):

    - Alternative Resolution Contexts for Internet Naming (ARCING) does 
      not have any overlap with IEEE 802 work.

    - Alternatives to Content Classification for Operator Resource 
      Deployment (ACCORD) is about mobile networks, and it might be 
      interesting to see if IEEE networks have similar issues. Mirja 
      Kuehlewind noted that this is work that came out of the recent 
      MaRNEW workshop 
      (https://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/marnew/).

    Dan Romascanu noted that he also expects to see a BOF proposal on 
    Intelligent Transport Systems (ITS), as there has been discussion on 
    that mailing list (https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its).

    The IAB and IESG will decide whether to approve these BOFs sometime 
    after the BOF submission deadline on 19 February 2016.

  - IEEE 802 PARS (see http://www.ieee802.org/PARs.shtml):

    Pat Kinney reported that 802 will consider a PAR on IEEE 802.15.12 
    Upper Layer Interface (ULI).  This is for an L2+ project that may 
    impact IETF Working Groups such as 6TISCH and 6LO.


5. Areas of shared interest between the IETF and IEEE 802

  For more information, please see: 
  https://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2013/01/Coordination_19.txt

 Item 3. IETF NVO3 and IEEE 802.1 DCB

  Pat Thaler reported that editors have been identified for the document 
  that NVO3 requested from 802.1. Alia Atlas asked that the document be 
  shared once it is available so that NVO3 can get their comments in 
  early.

 Item 5. Enabling use of Local Addresses for virtualization and IoT

  Pat Thaler reported that an early draft of the P802c D0.1 document 
  was discussed at the 802.1 interim meeting in January 2016; the draft 
  will be updated based on those discussions. Pat recommended that 
  people wait for the revised version to review and comment, but in case 
  anybody desires to read the current version, they should request it 
  from her or from the WG chair. A PAR on protocols for the address 
  distribution protocol at Layer 2 has been submitted for consideration.

 Item 11. IETF and IEEE 802.1 OmniRAN TG

  Prior to this call, Max Riegel reported that the OmniRAN TG has 
  created a first draft of the specification and is currently focusing 
  on creating initial text for all open sections. A draft with all 
  sections addressed is expected after the July 2016 IEEE 802 plenary 
  meeting, and is intended to be shared with IETF for feedback and 
  review. 

 Item 19. Common OAM proposal / Layer Independent OAM

  Benoit Claise reported that the LIME WG have been working on the LIME 
  YANG data model, but there are questions about how it will be applied 
  for different OAM protocols. draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model will be 
  split into two separate connectionless and connection-oriented 
  documents.

 Item 21. 6TiSCH

  Pat Kinney reported that the IEEE 802.15.12 Upper Layer Interface 
  (ULI) PAR is under discussion for approval at the IEEE 802 March 
  plenary meeting.

  Pascal Thubert noted that the IETF 6TISCH Working Group is pursuing 
  efforts to recharter to add a standards-track document on the 6top 
  sublayer. 6top may ultimately fall beneath the 15.12 boundary, and if 
  so, the APIs and the air interface will need to be preserved.

  Ralph Droms relayed a request from Brian Haberman that the IETF 6LO 
  Working Group chairs (Samita Chakrabarti and Gabriel Montenegro) be 
  added as contact points for this item, as it touches the 6LOWPAN specs 
  beyond 6TISCH specifically.

 Item 22. CAPWAP extensions in OPSAWG

  Benoit Claise reported that draft-ietf-opsawg-capwap-alt was returned 
  to the Working Group, and that a new version was submitted to include 
  more on multiple providers back in October. However, there has been no 
  progress since then; Benoit has pinged the authors for an update.

 Item 24. Coordination between the IETF and IEEE 802 on Pervasive 
    Monitoring 

  Dan Romascanu reported that the Privacy Recommendations EC Study Group
  resulted into the creation of project IEEE 802E which was included in 
  the scope of the Security TG of IEEE 802.1. Teleconferences have been
  scheduled, but they are not expected to meet at the March 802 plenary
  meeting.

 Item 25. Layer2/Layer 3 Interaction for Time-Sensitive Traffic

  Norm Finn noted that the use-cases I-D has been adopted as a DETNET WG 
  document. A design team was chartered to work on a data plane 
  document.

 Item 26. IS-IS extensions for IEEE 802.1Qca

  Janos Farkas reported that the IEEE 802.1Qca document has been 
  approved and is awaiting publication. One of the corresponding IETF 
  drafts (draft-ietf-isis-pcr) has been approved pending notes, while 
  the other two drafts (draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm and 
  draft-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture) are on the IESG agenda for 
  consideration on 4 February 2016.

 Item 27. Development of YANG models in the IEEE 802

  Dan Romascanu noted that the drafts in 802.1 and 802.3 are in 
  different states of development. Pat Thaler added that an IETF design 
  team is working on an experimental draft to move 802.3 into YANG.

  Benoit Claise said that he was not sure about the current state of 
  draft-ieee-urn; he is planning to AD-sponsor that document once he 
  gets the green light.
  
 Item 28. Multicast on IEEE 802 wireless networks

  Dan Romascanu reported that Dorothy Stanley and Charlie Perkins will 
  present an IEEE 802 Wireless Tutorial on April 3 at IETF 95.


6. Review of Action Items

  - Dan Romascanu to send out a Doodle poll to select the date for the 
    next face-to-face meeting. Depending on the results of that poll, 
    another Doodle may be sent out to schedule an additional 
    teleconference between now and the next face-to-face meeting.