2019-02-20: Minutes
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Minutes of the 2019-02-10 IETF-IEEE 802 Coordination Teleconference

Present:

- Deborah Brungard
- Jodi Haasz
- Ted Hardie
- Bob Heile
- Russ Housley
- Scott Mansfield
- Roger Marks
- Cindy Morgan
- Alvaro Retana
- Max Riegel
- Jon Rosdahl
- Dan Romascanu
- Dorothy Stanley
- Jeff Tantsura
- Magnus Westerlund
- Peter Yee
- Juan Carlos Zuniga

1. Welcome, roll call, agenda bashing

  Russ Housley welcomed everyone to the call. No new items were added to 
  the agenda.


2. Action item updates

  - In Progress

    o Bob Heile to send a short description of 802's LPA project with 
      pointers to Russ Housley for inclusion in the coordination list.
      <http://www.ieee802.org/15/pub/TG4w.html>
      (Added 2018-06-28)

  - New

    o Alvaro Retana and Russ Housley to write up a description for a new 
      coordination item on interactions between IETF LSVR and IEEE 802.1 
      regarding the IETF's LSoE protocol and a consideration for a new 
      LLDPv2 protocol in 802.1.
      (Added 2019-02-20)

    o Dorothy Stanley and Russ Housley to investigate the need for 
      adding a coordination item on source address validation for 
      802.11.
      (Added 2019-02-20)

    o Russ Housley to send email to the coordination list about whether 
      there is a need for a breakfast meeting at IETF 104.
      (Added 2019-02-20)


3. IETF New Work summary
   <https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart>

  - Brand Indicators for Message Identification (BIMI) 

  Russ Housley reported that this BOF is about displaying logos in a 
  DKIM context for email protection and does not overlap with IEEE 802 
  work.

  - Predictable and Available Wireless (PAW)

  Russ Housley reported that this BOF is about using DetNet for 
  wireless, and will likely be of interest to 802.11 and 802.15. This is 
  a non-WG-forming BOF for now, but they may attempt to charter a WG 
  later.

  - KSK Futures (KSK)

  Russ Housley reported that this BOF will talk about lessons learned 
  from the key signing key rollover in October 2019 and how things might 
  be done differently in the future.

  - Technology Deep Dive - Modern Router Architecture (WGTLGO) 

  The Technology Deep Dive on modern router architecture is being 
  organized with the Edu team, and will be more like a tutorial.

  - BNG Control-plane And User-plane SEparation (BCAUSE)

  Russ Housley reported that this BOF is about the changes caused by 
  content moving closer to the edges.

  - Collaborative Automated Course of Action Operations for Cyber 
    Security (CACAO)

  Russ Housley reported that this BOF is about the coordination of 
  responses to security incidents.

  - Remote Attestation (RATS)

  The Remote Attestation (RATS) BOF is a placeholder for a WG that is in 
  the process of being chartered. It is likely to be chartered as a WG 
  before IETF 104.

  - Stopping Malware and Researching Threats (SMART)

  This is an IAB-sponsored session that aims to research the effects of 
  existing, proposed, and newly-published protocols on attack defenses.


4. 802 New Work summary
   <http://www.ieee802.org/PARs.shtml>

  - 802.1 Industry Connections: Nendica

  Roger Marks reported that this is a proposal to extend the ICAID for 
  another two years to continue work on requirements for flexible 
  factory IOT and on data center networks. 

  - 802.3cu - Amendment, 100 Gb/s and 400 Gb/s Operation over Single-
    Mode Fiber

  Dorothy Stanley reported that this PAR is about how the continual 
  growth of bandwidth demand has driven evolution of higher Ethernet 
  speeds, including 100 Gb/s and400 Gb/s Ethernet. 

  - 802.11be - Amendment, Enhancements for Extremely High Throughput 
    (EHT)

  Dorothy Stanley reported that this PAR is for the MAC PHY work in 
  802.11ax for higher throughput.

5. Review current coordination items

  - Item 3. IETF NVO3 and IEEE 802.1 DCB

  Russ Housley noted that this item can be closed once IEEE 802.1Qcy is 
  published.

  - Item 5. Enabling use of Local Addresses for virtualization and IoT

  Russ Housley reported that draft-bvtm-dhc-mac-assign is on the DHC WG 
  agenda for adoption at IETF 104. This will need to be coordinated with 
  IEEE 802.1CQ when it becomes available. 

  - Item 11. IETF and IEEE 802.1 OmniRAN TG

  IEEE 802.1CF was sent to the IETF for review in November 2018. Max 
  Riegel reported that they did not get any response, although the 
  people who are active in both IETF and IEEE 802 would have already 
  submitted their comments though the IEEE process. The 802.1CF 
  specification is expected to be ratified at the IEEE 802 meeting in 
  March 2019. This item can be closed once the spec is published.

  - Item 21. 6tisch

  Information is being shared informally until points of coordination 
  are identified.

  - Item 24. Coordination between the IETF and IEEE 802 on Pervasive 
    Monitoring

  Juan Carlos Zuniga reported that the 802E specification is in WG 
  letter ballot, which closes on 22 February 2019. Juan Carlos let the 
  chair know that the IETF is interested in providing comments, but the 
  chair would like to resolve the comments from 802.1 before sharing the 
  document. The comments are expected to be resolved at the March 802 
  meeting.

  Dorothy Stanley and Juan Carlos Zuniga took an action to talk with the 
  chairs of 802E and identify a plan and date for sharing this with the 
  IETF.

  - Item 25. Layer2/Layer 3 Interaction for Time-Sensitive Traffic

  Deborah Brungard reported that the DetNet architecture document 
  (draft-ietf-detnet-architecture)is currently in IESG evaluation. Russ 
  Housley will send a message to the coordination list asking people to 
  send comments.

  - Item 27. Development of YANG models in the IEEE 802

  Russ Housley reported that yangcatalog.org still needs more metadata, 
  and that there is need for the IETF and IEEE 802 to coordinate on YANG 
  modules for VLAN and EtherTypes. Scott Mansfield said that this would 
  be discussed on the IEEE 802 Yangsters call later this month.

  Russ Housley will reach out to Benoit Claise to find out what is 
  needed to coordinate on the YANG model for VLANs.

  - Item 30. Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS)

  Russ Housley said that he is hopeful that the last issues on 
  draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb will be resolved before IETF 104.

  Dorothy Stanley reported that IEEE 802.11bd is working on enhancements 
  for next generation V2X.

  - Item 31. LPWAN

  Bob Heile reported that IEEE 802.15.4w has an internal draft now, with 
  the goal of starting WG letter ballot after their March meeting. There 
  are plans to include 15.4w in LPWAN.

  - NEW ITEM 

  Alvaro Retana noted that there was a discussion on Layer 2 discovery 
  in Bangkok and asked whether a coordination item should be added.

  Dorothy Stanley noted that Paul Congdon had said that the main topic  
  has been the interaction between IETF LSVR and IEEE 802.1 regarding 
  the IETF's LSoE protocol and a consideration for a new LLDPv2 protocol 
  in 802.1. 

  Alvaro Retana and Russ Housley will write up a description for a new 
  coordination item on interactions between IETF LSVR and IEEE 802.1 
  regarding the IETF's LSoE protocol and a consideration for a new 
  LLDPv2 protocol in 802.1.

  - NEW ITEM 

  Dorothy Stanley and Russ Housley will investigate the need for adding 
  a coordination item on source address validation for 802.11.


6. Assess need for breakfast meeting during March 25th 2019 IETF week 
  (Prague)

  Russ Housley asked if anyone on the call saw a need to have a 
  breakfast meeting during IETF 104; no one did. Russ will follow up 
  with an email to the coordination list to ask whether there is a need 
  for a breakfast meeting at IETF 104.


7. Adjourn