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November 17, 2016 RSOC Meeting

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat


 Sarah Banks (Chair)
 Nevil Brownlee
 Heather Flanagan (RSE, non-voting)
 Joel Halpern
 Joe Hildebrand
 Bob Hinden
 Cindy Morgan (Scribe, non-voting)
 Ray Pelletier (IAOC Liaison, non-voting)
 Adam Roach
 Robert Sparks (IAB Lead)

 Tony Hansen 


1. Approval of Minutes

  The minutes from the 12 October 2016 meeting were approved. 

2. Agenda bash

  Two new items were added to the agenda.


  Heather Flanagan reported that the SLA for the RPC has been in Tier 2 
  for 2 of 3 quarters so far in 2016. The RPC thinks the new SLA is 
  working well.

4. Next twelve months

4.1. Format

  Heather Flanagan reported that the new format work is proceeding. The 
  current timeline is six months until testing, and 18 months until 
  completion.  The RPC wants to hold off on hiring a new editor until 
  the new format is about 3 months into production; that may not be 
  until 2018, which will impact the 2017 budget.

4.2. Infrastructure

  Heather Flanagan reported that changes to the RFC Editor database 
  infrastructure is turning into a design goal, so that when programmers 
  touch the database they will need to consider how to make sure the 
  changes move the environment to one that follows best current 
  practices for database structure and management, and for the codebase. 
  This should in turn make the environment easier for outside 
  programmers to work with in the future.

  Robert Sparks added that one imminent change is to make the RPC code 
  base open. He is working with Henrik Levkowetz to review the code and 
  make sure they do not expose any security issues. This is expected to 
  be completed in the next 2-3 weeks.

4.3. Digital Signatures

  Heather Flanagan reported that the initial goal of digitally signing 
  RFCs was intended to lessen the time it takes for attestations in a 
  subpoena. However, it turns out that this issue is more complicated 
  than originally expected, and digital signature actually will not save 
  any time when processing subpoenas. Heather Flanagan proposed to move 
  the project to a dormant state until digital signatures are more 
  widely accepted by the legal community and some precedent on best 
  practice is established.

  After discussion, the RSOC agreed to re-assess digitally signing RFCs 
  when it is more technically easy to do so.

4.4. Digital Preservation

  Heather Flanagan asked the RSOC to review draft-iab-rfc-preservation, 
  as she would like to send it to send it to the IAB for publication 

  The National Library of Sweden asked for one more change to the RSS 
  feed; that has now been handled. The press release announcing the 
  archive is currently on hold, but expected to move back up to the top 
  of the queue after IETF 97.

  Memento and the Los Alamos National Lab Research Library have 
  expressed an interest in archiving the RFC Series; Heather Flanagan 
  asked for volunteers to help her understand what changes will be 
  required if they decide to proceed.

5. FYI: Updates (draft-wilde-updating-rfcs)

  Heather Flanagan reported that the RFC Series Advisory Group (RSAG) 
  has concerns about draft-wilde-updating-rfcs, which are currently 
  being discussed on the WG Chairs list.

6. DOI Update

  Heather Flanagan updated the RSOC on the new CrossRef DOI display 
  guidelines (the transition from a bare DOI string to a URL that points 
  to, first mentioned at the 12 October 2016 meeting). The RFC 
  Series is not the only group that has expressed concerns about the 
  change. The discussion is ongoing, but it is possible that the new 
  guidelines will end up as "shoulds" rather than "musts." Heather 
  reported that the IRTF Chair, who originally requested DOIs for the 
  RFC Series, said that if the new guidelines are considered hard rules,
  then RFC Series should stop using DOIs, as it would not be worth it.

  Bob Hinden noted that announcements from the RFC Editor had included 
  the DOI link, which redirects to the RFC Editor site, and asked that 
  the RFC Editor stop including those links. Heather Flanagan will talk 
  to the RPC about this, and have this added to the programmer's list.

7. Empty IANA Considerations sections

  Bob Hinden asked whether empty IANA Considerations sections are being 
  deleted or left in with a note that says "There are no IANA 
  considerations." Heather Flanagan replied that Sandy Ginoza is working 
  on a procedure for the editors, instructing them to leave empty IANA 
  considerations sections in documents going forward.

8. New IETF website

  Joe Hildebrand noted that it would be interesting if the new IETF 
  website could put together a page about a group of documents that 
  share some property, e.g. HTTP, RTCWEB, etc. This might require a 
  separate list of metadata that the IETF website CMS would pull from. 
  Robert Sparks replied that this is already in the works in the