Complaint to IESG regarding AD decision (Daniel J. Bernstein) - 2025-10-15
IESG Follow-up - 2025-10-24 - 2025-10-24

From: IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org>
To: djb@cr.yp.to
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:59:13 -0700
CC: tls@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org
Subject: [TLS] Re: Complaint to IESG regarding AD decision

Hi Dr. Bernstein,

Four days have passed and the IESG did not hear back from you. Consistent with RFC5378 and as explained in the recent IESG statement [1], the IESG will be ignoring your restrictions on handling the appeal text. In the community interest, your appeal has been posted to the datatracker [2].

Regards,
Roman Danyliw
(as IETF Chair, from the IESG)

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-statement-on-the-conflict-resolution-and-appeals-processes/
[2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/iesg/appeals/artifact/217

-----Original Message-----
From: IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2025 1:53 PM
To: djb@cr.yp.to
Cc: tls@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [TLS] Complaint to IESG regarding AD decision

This note acknowledges receipt of your email. We note that rights handling is part of your appeal topic.

The IESG would like to handle this appeal per our documented process [1] and post the text at [2]. Your text suggested the IETF is restricted from publishing your email because the text asserts that “it may not be published except as an Internet-Draft” using Legend Instructions from RFC5378. The IESG wants to get to the substance of your appeal and avoid seeking the necessary reviews to adjudicate the handling of standard IETF rights clauses with additional commentary, or answering how to address the fact that your inbound email has already been published at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/lgTH_NZFfJxbsA0nfvvD7lRoukE/ (which is not an Internet Draft) at the onset of processing.

Could you please resubmit your appeal without this text or any non-derivative works claims?

Regards,
Roman Danyliw
(as IETF Chair)

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-statement-on-the-conflict-resolution-and-appeals-processes/
[2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/iesg/appeals/

-----Original Message-----
From: D. J. Bernstein <djb@cr.yp.to>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 3:21 PM
To: iesg@ietf.org
Cc: tls@ietf.org
Subject: [TLS] Complaint to IESG regarding AD decision

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