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Liaison from detnet to ITU-T-SG-13 Question 6
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State | Posted |
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Submitted Date | 2025-02-07 |
From Group | detnet |
From Contact | John Scudder |
To Group | ITU-T-SG-13 |
To Contacts | tatiana.kurakova@itu.int |
Cc | Deterministic Networking Discussion List <detnet@ietf.org> Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> Gunter Van de Velde <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com> Scott Mansfield <Scott.Mansfield@Ericsson.com> John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net> János Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com> Jim Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com> |
Response Contact | Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> János Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com> |
Purpose | For action |
Deadline | 2025-03-31 Action Needed |
Attachments | (None) |
Liaisons referred by this one |
LS on request for feedback on work items related to deterministic networking in SG13
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Body: The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Deterministic Networking (DetNet) Working Group would like to thank ITU-T Study Group 13 for the information provided in liaison statement https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1951/ "LS on request for feedback on work items related to deterministic networking in SG13". The DetNet Working Group focuses on deterministic data paths that operate over Layer 2 bridged and Layer 3 routed segments, where such paths can provide bounds on reordering, latency, loss, packet delay variation (jitter), and high reliability. DetNet solutions apply to both wireless and wired networks. The Working Group addresses Layer 3 aspects in support of applications requiring deterministic networking. The Working Group collaborates with other IETF Working Groups and the IEEE 802.1 Time-Sensitive Networking (TSN) Task Group, which is responsible for Layer 2 operations, to define a common architecture for both Layer 2 and Layer 3. The Working Group currently focuses on solutions for networks that are under a single administrative control or within a closed group of administrative control; these include not only campus-wide networks but also private WANs. The Working Group is responsible for the overall DetNet architecture and DetNet-specific specifications that encompass the data plane, OAM (Operations, Administration, and Maintenance), time synchronization, management, control, and security aspects which are required to enable a multi-hop path, and forwarding along the path, with the deterministic properties of controlled latency, low packet loss, low packet delay variation, and high reliability. The work applies to point-to-point (unicast) and point-to-multipoint (multicast) flows, which can be characterized in a manner that allows the network to 1) reserve the appropriate resources for the flows in advance and 2) release/reuse the resources when they are no longer required. The work covers the characterization of flows, the encapsulation of frames, the required forwarding behaviors, as well as the state that may need to be established in intermediate nodes. The work also includes detailing the requirements for deterministic networks in various industries. For more information on the Working Group and standards that have been published see:https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/detnet/about/. The following is a list of documents that the Working Group is actively working on via the standard IETF process (RFC 2026): * draft-ietf-detnet-controller-plane-framework: "Deterministic Networking (DetNet) Controller Plane Framework" * draft-ietf-raw-technologies: "Reliable and Available Wireless Technologies" * draft-ietf-raw-architecture: "Reliable and Available Wireless Architecture" * draft-ietf-detnet-scaling-requirements: "Requirements for Scaling Deterministic Networks" * draft-ietf-detnet-dataplane-taxonomy: "Dataplane Enhancement Taxonomy" Other documents from individual contributors are under consideration, but have not yet been accepted as Working Group documents. A list of those documents can be found at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/detnet/documents/ As a reminder, the IETF is a contribution-driven organization, with a formal process defined in RFC 2026 and RFC 8789. Additionally, IETF Working Group process is defined in RFC 2418. Notably, IETF positions require community rough consensus with input from Working Groups via process managed by the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG). Without a community consensus process, there is no agreement or concurrence on any topic raised with or to the IETF. This includes Liaison Statements. In our understanding, the scope of ITU-T Y.Det-qos-intwk-wan "Requirements and framework of deterministic QoS interworking mechanism in wide area network including IMT-2020 and beyond" includes functional requirements and framework for deterministic QoS interworking mechanism in wide area network limited to fixed networks such as backbone network or metropolitan area network within a single provider. This scope is within the charter of the DetNet Working Group. We invite contributions from members of your group to our efforts in the development of DetNet. If gaps are perceived in meeting requirements, we encourage contributions related to those aspects to the DetNet Working Group. For example, the DetNet Working Group is currently working on a requirements document: draft-ietf-detnet-scaling-requirements: "Requirements for Scaling Deterministic Networks". If your requirements are not covered in this document, then we invite you to contribute your requirements to this document of the DetNet Working Group. There is an opportunity to discuss any feedback at IETF 122 (15-21 March) or IETF 123 (19-25 July). Note, as well, that IETF working groups conduct discussions on their mailing lists year-round, so any contribution can be provided there as soon as it is ready. |