What: Combined OpsAWG / OpsArea When: 10:00-12:00 Wednesday Morning session I Where: Collyer OpsAWG Section -------------------- Administrivia - scribes, minutes, etc. Tianran / Joe 5 minutes Layer 3 VPN Network Model Oscar Gonz¨˘lez de Dios/Qin Wu Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm/ 15 minutes Auto-assign can be the default behavior Ignas as operator: Making auto-assign the default will clash with many deployments; should be an option Oscar: how to make that auto-assignment happen; leave RT/RD blank or explicitly set auto-assign? Qin: no strong preference for explicit or implicit auto-assign; document needs to Tim Carey: We do see in zero-touch the need for the controllers to assign. Leaving the blank is the auto-assignment. Auto-assignment is done via a profile/policy. Joe: will send comments to list (on L3SM integration) A Framework for Automating Service and Network Management with YANG Qin Wu Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-model-driven-management-virtualization/ 10 minutes Laurent: Interaction between Service Level and Network level misleading; you don't decomission the service in the network level; should be within the lifecycle of the service level Qin: Will shore up service lifecycle Laurent: Good examples; maybe go for operations and show which models can be used for those operations Qin: Will work through that Joe: Not on mic; agree with this comment. Showing operator use cases and how they map to YANG models will be very helpful Yang data model for TACACS+ Bo Wu Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang/ 5 minutes Joe: Will follow up with YANG doctors to see if we can do anything with respect to augment ietf-system Dymytro: Follow up with ietf-system authors to see when the next version of ietf-system will be published Bo: Will follow up In-situ Flow Information Telemetry Haoyu Song Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-song-opsawg-ifit-framework/ 15 minutes Diego Lopez: Closed loop is misleading; about automatic control Haoyu: Clarified in draft Diego: Still not clear, needs a better term to avoid ambiguity Haoyu: Closed-loop only exists in a given domain Frank: the scope is large. China Mobile: useful work and gives some examples. China Telecom: support the adoption of the work. Chair: How many of you have read this document? quite a lot. Chair: How many of you think this is a useful work and the working group could work on it? still many, 20+. A YANG Module for uCPE Management Dmytro Shytyi Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shytyi-opsawg-vysm/ 10 minutes Dean: How is this different from RFC8530 [YANG Model for Logical Network Elements] Dmytro: Not familiar (or don't remember) Qin: Some similar work in teas working group Dmytro: Working with the teas work; augmenting it Dmytro: Corss work going on with ETSI? Tim (from Jabber): Does the authors intend to use other virtualization technologies than VMs like Docker, etc Tim (from Jabber): I would also ask that can't the ETSI NFV SOL drafts be used to solve this problem? If ETSI has solved the problem why do we need to duplicate this for a very specific problem domain Sampled Traffic Streaming Andrew Gray Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gray-sampled-streaming/ 10 minutes Frank: Compare to 5476 Ignas: Please schedule a side meeting here in S'pore to discuss this work In-situ OAM Deployment Frank Brockners Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-deployment/ 5 minute Multiple at mic: useful work, but could use more concrete recommendations. That may require more experience before those recommendations can be made It may be that this document lives and evolves over time as more experience is learned with IOAM MUD (D)TLS profiles for IoT devices Tirumaleswar Reddy Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-reddy-opsawg-mud-tls/ 5 minutes Eliot to comment on mic, but we had to push this to the list Ops-Area Section --------------------- Administrivia - scribes, minutes, etc. Warren / Ignas 15 minutes [Short mic time due to long opsawg] Service Assurance for Intent-based Networking (SAIN) Benoit Claise Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-claise-opsawg-service-assurance-architecture/ 15 minute Dean: This is a problem to solve; confusing autonomic and intent-based Jeff: How do you model data received from CLI, telemetry, SNMP, etc. in a coherent way Robin: More layers are introduced that add complexity to the existing layers already present in the IETF Rajiv: Architecture very useful; from a perspective of config there has not been an effort to model the assurance aspect and create that hierarchy Contain and define service assurance (do you mean network, security, etc.)? Figure out a hierachy and model that hierarchy Physical vs. logical awareness is important Benoit: API is there to augment those sub-service types Alex Clemm: service assurance and the dependency graph could be split for more reuse Open Mic ================================================== Jabber Log [00:41:58] chsharp@jabber.org leaves the room [01:42:40] Meetecho joins the room [01:50:59] VirtualQueue_FaW78Rka joins the room [01:55:09] Joe Clarke joins the room [01:55:11] Timothy Carey joins the room [01:55:15] Oscar Gonzalez de Dios joins the room [01:56:04] Lorenzo Miniero joins the room [01:58:29] Joe Clarke: yep, this is the Jabber room :) [01:58:50] You guys are awesome. Thanks. [01:59:02] :D [02:00:13] Hi guys! [02:00:45] Hey, Oscar. You're up first after the intro. [02:01:35] adrianolddog joins the room [02:02:49] Anyone in jabber wanting a comment relayed to the microphone please write "MIC:" [02:03:05] danielking.net joins the room [02:03:09] Thanks, Adrian. [02:04:22] Simon Pietro Romano joins the room [02:17:17] Oscar, audio break-in is not working. you only have three minutes left, and I want to make sure you get to some of these questions. [02:18:16] Joe Clarke: are you experiencing issues? [02:18:41] If you tried talking to him, it may be it got lost because we lowered capture volume in the room to avoid echo [02:19:12] Ah. It's okay now. He's the only remote. [02:21:40] MIC We do see in zero-touch the need for the controllers to assign. Leaving the blank is the auto-assignment. Auto-assignment is done via a profile/policy. [02:23:33] Luay Jalil joins the room [02:23:41] Andy Bierman joins the room [02:25:58] Sorry, Tim. I didn't see this before we cut the line. Please follow up on list. [02:26:07] Sure [02:26:21] I will record your comments in the minutes. [02:30:51] Sorry Tim, I also looked away for a moment [02:40:07] @Tim, I'll be glad to follow the discussion on the list [02:41:17] Luay Jalil leaves the room [02:43:56] Willard Gray joins the room [02:44:21] Willard Gray leaves the room [02:44:24] Willard Gray joins the room [02:48:24] Oscar Gonzalez de Dios leaves the room [02:55:13] Lorenzo Miniero leaves the room [02:59:12] zhenqiang li joins the room [03:00:58] Reshad Rahman joins the room [03:01:59] MIC I am confused as to how this framework work with the already adopted Network Telemetry framework draft [03:02:09] got it [03:03:13] 2nd in q [03:10:02] Simon Pietro Romano leaves the room [03:17:38] Sandra Murphy joins the room [03:19:24] MIC Does the authors intend to use other virtualization technologies than VMs like Docker, etc [03:20:58] Raymond Ho joins the room [03:21:34] MIC I would also ask that can't the ETSI NFV SOL drafts be used to solve this problem? If ETSI has solved the problem why do we need to duplicate this for a very specific problem domain? [03:22:31] queued [03:23:26] sorry @Tim , you got bounced by the chairs because of timing [03:23:39] Please send your comment by email to the list [03:23:45] Yeah, sorry. We're running long. I was hoping we'd pick up more time on that, but... [03:23:56] Recording comments in minutes. Please take the question to the list. [03:24:04] Sure no worries [03:30:28] chriscroot joins the room [03:38:18] what is the relationship of this one to the one presented by Song? 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