Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach Chairs: Toerless Eckert & Sheng Jiang Minutes by: Juanna Dang ************************************************************************* *****************************Session II********************************** ************************************************************************* Toerless: I think Sheng will primarily take care of the microphone line as I am sharing the slides. Joanna is going to take the minutes. And the other thing should be well known. ************************************************************************* 1. WG Dash - 5 min by co-chairs Toerless: Sheng was doing the adoption call for draft constrained- join-proxy. Please provide more feedback. Sheng: We should already pass the adoption code because we don't have any objections on that, but I have a reminder for the other participants as well because there are a little discussion for this document for a while. I can fully understand that because you know that document already be around for a while, but as chair we actually would like to see more discussion in the mailing list. Authors please submit the document as a new working group document with zero version, and try to invoke more discussion in mailing list. We need to see progress from now on. ************************************************************************* 2. ACP into RFC Editor queue, Presenter: Toerless Eckert https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane Rober Wilton: No question but I just want to say a big thank you tell us for getting this one over the line and the amount of effort you've put into the working group, and also Eric's helped shepherding for this. So I'd just like to thank everyone. I know this has been a tricky document. Sheng: Thank you very much for your hard work. We have been very long process for this document. And after now we can finally call the victory for our ANIMA stage one from 2014 year. This is the last document in our stage one and actually we can together release the five RFCs. One of them have already being released for more than thousand days. And by now actually we have had our original autonomic network infrastructure components, three of them published completely that including the ACP and BRSKI and GRASP. In this second stage, we can say more autonomic service agent which use/re-use those as we hope. And then finally we could get our autonomic network and services be used in the real network and that make the network management and maintenance much easier. Thanks all. ************************************************************************* 3. BRSKI-44/45 LC-prime summary of activity around rename Presenter: Michael Richardson https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra MR: Toerless noticed that we didn't had a missing IANA action for proxy in the joined registrar which was supposed to be allocated out of the GRASP registry. And we did some similar thing. Toerless: I am going through the registry for the ACP at that point in time. MR: Thank you. Toerless: So Brian was already mentioning some activity from RFC editor on GRASP. Michael Richardson: So he's an off 48. Toerless: not all 48 yet. There was some other indication that they're seemingly already working on something. Brian: So I assume they're working on it. Toerless: Again it's a target down there behind the door so we're not really sure what's going on. We're just looking at the status of the cluster. MR: So there's a Canadian restaurant that has a really delicious root beer called BRSKI. I was require some for Vancouver meeting. ************************************************************************* 4. Constrained-Voucher --- overview of changes from design team Presenter: Michael Richardson, Peter van der Stok https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher MR: We were asking the working group what's going on. The invite is open to the mailing list. Please join us. Toerless: Maybe send it out again. It's somewhere down in the mailing list. So reminder is always a good thing once a quarter. MR: So also I will send it in mailing list. Some of what is discussed. Some deeper things. ************************************************************************* 5. BRSKI-AE Support for asynchronous enrollment, Presenter: Michael Richardson draft-ietf-anima-brski-async-enroll MR: I try to explain this in more detail and to get some text into it. Toerless: This is the last consideration for scale out. That's not specific to the constrained voucher case right that. Could equally be of interest for any of the other. Let's say the standard BRSKI option. Right? MR: Well, so if you're using PCX certification, and you have a local CA. And you're using the generating and certificates. For go to previous slide if you could actually generating the certification for the pledge interface. ************************************************************************* 6. BRSKI-cloud use case/applicability, Presenter: Michael Richardson https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-friel-anima-brski-cloud No discussion or comments. ************************************************************************* 7. Constrained Join proxy Presenter: Michael Richardson Toerless: I'm trying to remember what the working group is right? There is a lot of you know these type of proxy things for quick happening and quick is trying to get into the datagram. So we are going to wake up in another year. So having to do everything we're doing with DTLS with QUIC. Michael Richardson: So the BRSKI circuit proxy which is TCP based, not going to work with QUIC. If you want to QUIC on that then the answer is yes. We'll have to do something. I guess I could go look at those documents and see if there's something there. Maybe part of the answer don't bother with teal. Maybe it's stupid to do DTLS if you're going to do QUIC anyway. But I don't know. I appreciate some other feedback from people as to whether to deal with all of these different possibilities. Can you really use QUIC? I don't know. We tend to think that if you're in that constrained space that you are probably more interested in using AD hoc. And OS core that you are using QUIC. Toerless: I mean I think that's just always keep it in the back of your mind right that. There's a lot of effort invested into the DTLS solution. So let's make sure we're kind of continuing. MR: On the registrar to master side of things. If you can get QUIC through the enterprise, then you can use as you like. It's just http whatever three or whatever we're calling it right. We don't care. ************************************************************************* 8. Update on BRSKI-AE-Support for asynchronous enrollment Presenter: Steffen Fries Steffen Fries: The overcome will be circulated on the mailing list for further discussion and would be used to update the draft. I would submit that then probably in December or the beginning of January. Toerless: Excellent. Thank you very much. ************************************************************************* 9. draft-friel-anima-brski-cloud-03, Presenter: Steffen Fries No discussion or comments. *************************************************************************