[{"author": "Olaf Kolkman", "text": "Good Day!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:00:33Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Morning everyone<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:00:39Z"}, {"author": "Melinda Shore", "text": "Good morning!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:00:40Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Note that this agenda slide is out of date.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:00:52Z"}, {"author": "Olaf Kolkman", "text": "Gosh what a time-zone-centric greeting ;-)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:01:11Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "I can help with the notes<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:04:17Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "Welcome Sofia!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:04:44Z"}, {"author": "Eliot Lear", "text": "Welcome Sofia!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:04:50Z"}, {"author": "David McAuley", "text": "Thank you for volunteering, Sofia<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:05:15Z"}, {"author": "Sofia Celi", "text": "thank you all! very happy to be here<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:07:01Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "About the agenda, does it still have Lenny Giuliano's presentation N<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:15:56Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Yes, sorry the DT has the correct agenda but the chair slides do not<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:16:23Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "@Eric - that is under AOB afaik<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:16:32Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "Thanks for the confirmations<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:16:37Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Lenny has 15 minutes under AOB at the end.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:16:45Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "linking short-term identifiers to longer lasting identifiers seems like a common threat to Internet/Web privacy<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:19:15Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "Q: On which 3GPP mailinglist(s) does the discussion on PFS take place?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:24:19Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "Q: Could you reflect on the privacy and human rights implications of private 5G networks and edge computing in 5G networks?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:24:31Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "yes, thanks for this update<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:38:16Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Really useful overview<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:38:34Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "(who is speaking at the q?)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:42:00Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Reminder to state your name<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:42:03Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "Stephane Bortzmeyer<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:42:10Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "ah, thank you! I did recognize him after zooming in on the video :)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:43:00Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "Thanks a lot!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:46:35Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "+1 for needing to work on privacy and security everywhere, as any gap can be exploited<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:46:37Z"}, {"author": "Sofia Celi", "text": "thanks a lot for the presentation!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:46:48Z"}, {"author": "Sofia Celi", "text": "oh, wow! I'm from Quito! amazing!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:47:58Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Thank you for joining us!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:48:00Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "Meetcho: is it possible to pan a camera into the room to show the audience to remote participants ?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:54:49Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "thanks<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:55:15Z"}, {"author": "Meetecho", "text": "Is this better?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:55:18Z"}, {"author": "Meetecho", "text": "We chose to zoom initially to better frame the mic line<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:55:30Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "Understood but the new angle/zoom level shows an non-empty room ;-) better, i hope, for remote particpants<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:56:10Z"}, {"author": "Massimiliano Pala", "text": "Have you considered using watermarking cryptographic techniques that might be more resilient to media manipulation? The representation of the data might need to change... as you just said, now you have to re-sign everything at all times...<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:58:09Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "I wonder how exactly we're confident in the initial signature. how do I know that this picture was taken at that place/time, and not that the user just had their hardware/software sign a manifest with false information?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:58:19Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "maybe that last comment answered that. this doesn't provide verification, but at least someone can review exactly what the photographer said about their original photo<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:59:30Z"}, {"author": "Massimiliano Pala", "text": "Are the signatures backed by an audited public trust infrastructure? What kind of policy has been defined to promote trust in an open community?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T09:59:54Z"}, {"author": "Massimiliano Pala", "text": "Privacy concerns are a bit weird in this context, isn't it? You would use such a system to avoid \"privacy\" and have people accountable for what they publish publicly. That should not a system for private communications... so not asserting the identity of who is responsible for originating that content does, in my view, really undermine the usefulness of the system. Isn't accountability one of the principles?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:04:28Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "explicit redaction seems like an excellent way of addressing both privacy and provenance. privacy isn't in direct conflict with provenance/authenticity<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:05:04Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "Massimiliano Pala_web_300, I think the idea is that I might take a photo at a protest but not want to reveal that I was there. if I redact my identity for my privacy, that's valuable for my safety. it's true then that I can't prove to others who took the photo, which is a trade-off I have to make, but I can still provide some authenticity, perhaps just to the editor of my newspaper, etc.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:06:44Z"}, {"author": "Massimiliano Pala", "text": "In the slide there was a comment about not asserting identities... if that is not part of the framework, what is the reason of using signatures? Integrity?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:07:18Z"}, {"author": "Massimiliano Pala", "text": "@npd - I think that the system should be used by \"regular\" people taking pictures at a protest (following your example), but by journalists and organizations who will then be the people vetting the information (as any journalist is required to do). Once the information is verified, the system (with accountability) could be used to understand how trustworthy the information is based on these protections (technical and professional).<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:13:35Z"}, {"author": "David Oliver", "text": "Thank you for this excellent work, Jacobo.&nbsp;&nbsp;There are a lot of challenges ahead for certain.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:15:44Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Feel free to join the queue to ask on mic some of these great questions.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:16:55Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "explainers for accessibility (focused on lack of representativeness in the development of the specs) seems like a useful best practice<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:16:56Z"}, {"author": "Massimiliano Pala", "text": "Really interesting work, thank you!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:17:00Z"}, {"author": "David Oliver", "text": "The questions asked by @Massimiliano are pertinent<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:17:05Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "Amazing depth and breath of the human rights impact considerations in this work.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:17:35Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "Closer to the mic pls<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:18:33Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Especially with masks it's much easier to hear when one speaks closely to the mic<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:18:50Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "(sorry, i couldn't fully get the question because of the volume, can someone help me capture the question in the notes?)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:19:53Z"}, {"author": "David Oliver", "text": "question was about legacy media that does not have C2PA metadata, is this a \"two tier\" system making all older media obsolete<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:20:43Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "thanks!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:21:08Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "<a href=\"https://c2pa.org/specifications/specifications/1.0/specs/C2PA_Specification.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://c2pa.org/specifications/specifications/1.0/specs/C2PA_Specification.html</a><br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:23:47Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Maybe \"trust list\" would be different from \"CAs operating in good faith\"<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:26:06Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "I would definitely like to read one of these \"explainer\" versions, and compare against the spec<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:30:27Z"}, {"author": "Sofia Celi", "text": "thank you for the presentation!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:30:30Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "and I'm curious about any evidence/experience with groups who are able to provide more feedback because of those explainer docs<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:31:03Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Felt that enthusiasm, Niels<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:34:46Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "The text: Considering the<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp; potential adverse impact of attribution on the right to privacy and<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp; freedom of expression, enabling attribution on an individual level is<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp; most likely not consistent with human rights.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:36:31Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "This appears in the section about remedy, so it is a balance between remedy and privacy/security.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:38:01Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "I feel like the previous presentation (on c2pa) suggests that there are ways for attribution and privacy to be supported / not in direct conflict<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:38:30Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "It means: don't add PII for attribution's sake.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:39:07Z"}, {"author": "Sofia Celi", "text": ";)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:46:10Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Quebecois, too<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:47:06Z"}, {"author": "Sofia Celi", "text": "nice!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:48:21Z"}, {"author": "Sofia Celi", "text": "working now<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:51:36Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Thanks so much to the note takers!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:52:46Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "Q: If the intended audience is policy makers and the general public, why would one want to publish this as an RFC ?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:54:19Z"}, {"author": "Tony Li", "text": "This is how IETF geeks publish things. :)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:54:44Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Please join the queue now if you have questions or comments for Lenny.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:57:23Z"}, {"author": "David McAuley", "text": "can we get link to the slides on blocking?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:57:34Z"}, {"author": "Eliot Lear", "text": "Link to the draft?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:58:10Z"}, {"author": "David McAuley", "text": "to these slides, sorry<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:58:21Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "they will be in the meeting materials and also on the small folder top right<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:58:46Z"}, {"author": "Tony Li", "text": "<a href=\"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/materials/slides-113-intarea-regional-internet-blocking-considerations-00\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/materials/slides-113-intarea-regional-internet-blocking-considerations-00</a><br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:58:58Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "<a href=\"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/materials/slides-113-intarea-regional-internet-blocking-considerations-00\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/materials/slides-113-intarea-regional-internet-blocking-considerations-00</a><br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:59:08Z"}, {"author": "David McAuley", "text": "thank you<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:59:10Z"}, {"author": "Tony Li", "text": "They are under INTAREA, not here...<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:59:19Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "From intarea: <a href=\"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/materials/slides-113-intarea-regional-internet-blocking-considerations-00\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/materials/slides-113-intarea-regional-internet-blocking-considerations-00</a><br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T10:59:24Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "<a href=\"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-04#section-5.3.2\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-04#section-5.3.2</a> seems like the most relevant area on documenting how blocking is done<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:00:41Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "but maybe it would be useful to add physical layer disconnections, or more detail on use of BGP or IP filtering<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:01:50Z"}, {"author": "Eliot Lear", "text": "where is this to be discussed?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:02:47Z"}, {"author": "Sofia Celi", "text": "a little difficult to hear.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:03:07Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "it was in intarea yesterday<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:03:10Z"}, {"author": "Tony Li", "text": "We've been dissuaded from continuing in INTAREA, so if there is interest here, we're available.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:04:06Z"}, {"author": "avri doria", "text": "interesting doc. seems worth the work somewhere.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:06:07Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "that goal (documentation of the technical mechanisms) sounds similar to draft-censorship which is described as a survey of the techniques that are used<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:06:08Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "who was on the mic?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:07:20Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "Eric Vynke<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:07:28Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "missed the name (for the notes)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:07:29Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "thanks!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:07:34Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "Sorry: \u00c9ric Vyncke<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:07:40Z"}, {"author": "avri doria", "text": "i wonder if there is a home in the IGF<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:11:31Z"}, {"author": "Eliot Lear", "text": "I don't think this is a PEARG thing.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:11:54Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "I don't either fwiw<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:12:07Z"}, {"author": "Tony Li", "text": "I think we should talk to the ISE. :)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:12:34Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "but there is a comparable draft there and for the purposes of discussion would be useful to gather more feedback for the authors if they were interested in having some of their text possibly land somewhere.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:12:47Z"}, {"author": "Eliot Lear", "text": "(I have been speaking without my ISE hat)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:12:50Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "Thanks all, excellent session!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:13:44Z"}, {"author": "Eliot Lear", "text": "thank you, chairs<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:13:47Z"}, {"author": "Sofia Celi", "text": "thank you all!!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:13:51Z"}, {"author": "Eliot Lear", "text": "and speakers<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:13:52Z"}, {"author": "Niels ten Oever", "text": "bye all!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:13:53Z"}, {"author": "Dominique Lazanski", "text": "thank you!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:13:54Z"}, {"author": "npd", "text": "thanks all<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:13:54Z"}, {"author": "Juliana Guerra", "text": "Thanks, it was a great session<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:13:57Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "thanks, bye! :)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:13:58Z"}, {"author": "Olaf Kolkman", "text": "Thanks and bye<br/>", "time": "2022-03-23T11:14:02Z"}]