[{"author": "Michael T\u00fcxen", "text": "Cool font.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:01:45Z"}, {"author": "Tom Jones", "text": "I like it<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:01:55Z"}, {"author": "Tom Jones", "text": "art deco<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:02:04Z"}, {"author": "Lars Eggert", "text": "@meetecho might want to debug this failure :-)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:02:59Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "looks like each of the glyphs is stretched 3x or 4x horizontally<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:03:09Z"}, {"author": "Richard Scheffenegger", "text": "yupp<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:03:27Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "3x would make sense if it's a ClearType glitch<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:04:14Z"}, {"author": "Meetecho", "text": "It has happened for a couple of other slide decks too, it may be a font rendering issue in our conversion process<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:04:15Z"}, {"author": "Meetecho", "text": "We'll look into it when we get back<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:04:21Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "awesome<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:04:28Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "shall I do Jabber scribe for a change?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:05:14Z"}, {"author": "Richard Scheffenegger", "text": "please!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:05:35Z"}, {"author": "Wesley Eddy", "text": "yes, thanks Jonathan!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:05:44Z"}, {"author": "Richard Scheffenegger", "text": "rese and I will be notetakers, as assigned by gorry<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:05:52Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "okay - please precede text with MIC: or similar if you want it asked<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:06:16Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "Gorry: on the \"meeting materials\" page in MeetEcho, there is a refresh button integrated, top left, just above the agenda<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:12:40Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "if you're still missing the announcement slide deck, you need to hit that button<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:13:05Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "that might also be why you have the old slide deck here<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:13:18Z"}, {"author": "Meetecho", "text": "Note to chairs: we updated the slide deck you're using one with the latest version from the materials page (in case it helps)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:14:29Z"}, {"author": "Meetecho", "text": "If you want to use the new deck, you'll need to close this one and open the one with the more recent date<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:15:27Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "it might be helpful, next session, to have the list of materials update itself without manual intervention from the viewer<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:16:17Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "As almost all the signals mirror those in MPTCP, it may be worth to just point to the appropriate sections of the MPTCP spec + document the deviations vs. MPTCP.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:20:47Z"}, {"author": "Gorry Fairhurst", "text": "Mohamed - do you want to say this on the mic?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:21:59Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "Not needed. Markus can follow-up here. Thanks<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:22:58Z"}, {"author": "Anna Brunstrom", "text": "I think it is better to have a self-contained document and not have to go elsewhere for the specification, particularly as there are also some differences.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:23:07Z"}, {"author": "Hang Shi", "text": "Does DCCP has to be implemented in the kernel?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:27:12Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "There are #, sure. That's why I indicated deviations vs. MPTCP. I see an advantage in pointing to the stable text from MPTCP rather than using new text to resay the same thing. This at least will simply reviews<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:27:22Z"}, {"author": "Tom Herbert", "text": "If there are kernel patches they can be posted to netdev as RFC before they've been perfected.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:28:46Z"}, {"author": "Anna Brunstrom", "text": "@Hang, no there is no such requirement.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:29:33Z"}, {"author": "Philipp Tiesel", "text": "With regards to out-of-tree implementation: I guess kernel patches are the worst option to deploy. A out-of-tree implementation that is installable via DKMS is additional effort, but much better than patching the kernel.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:30:31Z"}, {"author": "Anna Brunstrom", "text": "@Mohamed, I think that depends on the reader. If you do not know the MPTCP RFC I think jumping back and forth will be more difficult.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:30:56Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "@Anna, does the latest version support negotiation of the \"compact\" udp encap or this is configuration-based?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:31:03Z"}, {"author": "Jesus Martin", "text": "I understood there is going to be a meetting with a 3GPP delegate (from DT) on MP-DCCP just after this meeting?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:32:38Z"}, {"author": "Gorry Fairhurst", "text": "See next slide from chairs...<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:33:04Z"}, {"author": "Michael T\u00fcxen", "text": "Available also for remote participation?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:33:10Z"}, {"author": "Anna Brunstrom", "text": "@Mohamed, you think about the individual draft on UDP encap? That is not part of the base MP-DCCP spec.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:33:44Z"}, {"author": "Tom Herbert", "text": "@philip right, out of tree is very painful and many datacenters won't touch them. Getting the patches into upstream kernel is best option. The good news is that these patches probably build of MPTCP and should be fairly isolated so should be realatively straightforward to upstream<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:34:13Z"}, {"author": "Jesus Martin", "text": "Thanks Gorry!<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:34:34Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Hugo", "text": "is online patricipation also possible at side meeting?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:34:51Z"}, {"author": "Anna Brunstrom", "text": "@Mohamed. Have to check with Markus if the UDP encap is available in the code.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:35:29Z"}, {"author": "Anna Brunstrom", "text": "We have not used it in our measurements<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:35:49Z"}, {"author": "Philipp Tiesel", "text": "@Tom: Agreed, but unit you get it into the kernel, out-of-tree is the second best option and has a higher chance getting deployed compared to custom kernels.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:35:56Z"}, {"author": "chenmeiling", "text": ",.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:36:01Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "@Dirk: remote participation is not built into the side meetings - you'd need an ad-hoc solution<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:36:38Z"}, {"author": "Gorry Fairhurst", "text": "@dirk: no on-line support, but we can follow-up by sending some notes to the group<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:36:51Z"}, {"author": "Jesus Martin", "text": "that would be very appreciated!... thanks again Gorry<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:37:21Z"}, {"author": "Lars Eggert", "text": "someone could fire up a webex or zoom<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:37:31Z"}, {"author": "Lars Eggert", "text": "gorry is right though that the ietf doesn't provide this<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:37:45Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "perhaps an analogue to the side-meeting room(s) could be included in the Gather space, to make setting up ad-hoc remote participation easier<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:41:04Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "Do others have audio?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:44:46Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "yes<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:44:53Z"}, {"author": "David Black", "text": "Yes<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:44:55Z"}, {"author": "Bob Hinden", "text": "yes<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:44:58Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "check mute at bottom right, etc.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:45:28Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "I logged out and back. It works now.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:46:17Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "awesome<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:46:35Z"}, {"author": "Sebastian Moeller", "text": "Two codepoints per PHB are not a real solution unless the goal is to half the availabe codepoint space....<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:49:58Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "I think it'd be better ti tighten up network behaviour to remove these pathologies<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:50:54Z"}, {"author": "Gorry Fairhurst", "text": "@sebastian - we have PHBs with multiple DSCP registrations, however this raises the question about whether the lowest number is regarded as an aggregate, or `is in some way different.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:52:00Z"}, {"author": "Gorry Fairhurst", "text": "/PHBs/PHB groups/<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:52:35Z"}, {"author": "Sebastian Moeller", "text": "Yes we have those, but the measurements paint a bleak picture for the 12! AF codepoints... that is a lot of dscps that appear under used...<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:52:54Z"}, {"author": "Sebastian Moeller", "text": "But in the NQB case the problem is that both are exactly the same, unlike the AFs that code two dimensions so AS11 is not identical tp AF12. In NQB 5 and 45 really are only there so the existing default WMM mappings can be exploited.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:54:21Z"}, {"author": "Sebastian Moeller", "text": "IMHO the best solution would be to scrap it all and restart with 2 sets of 3bits, one for e2e ne for network usage.... which I guess is as desirable as unachievable.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T09:56:32Z"}, {"author": "Jake Holland", "text": "This presentation was my favorite of the meeting.&nbsp;&nbsp;Nice work, and I'll also suggest bringing it to maprg as a measurement presentation.&nbsp;&nbsp;Nice work.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:00:26Z"}, {"author": "Richard Scheffenegger", "text": "Bob, whre are you - your voice is scrambled<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:00:48Z"}, {"author": "Peter Heist", "text": "I agree, I appreciated the nice view of the codepoint space<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:00:51Z"}, {"author": "Lars Eggert", "text": "bob, terrible audio again. can we buy you a new laptop? :-)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:01:29Z"}, {"author": "Bob Briscoe", "text": "Yes, Lars said what I was saying<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:01:35Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "yes, the 8x8 visualisation was very helpful<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:01:43Z"}, {"author": "Jake Holland", "text": "A broader IETF understanding of dscp including the connected research community would probably benefit from understanding this.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:02:02Z"}, {"author": "Bob Briscoe", "text": "@Lars, On Wed, I was using my wife's new lenovo windows laptop, which always (normally) avoids the problem, but I got the same problem. Whereas, when I switched to my Ubuntu laptop, it was fine (even tho that usually exhibits the problem). It's not my link, which is fibre to the home<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:04:20Z"}, {"author": "Richard Scheffenegger", "text": "Bob, can you try with FQ codel on a local bottleneck to unscramble your voice streaming?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:04:33Z"}, {"author": "Bob Briscoe", "text": "There is fq_codel loaded on my Ubuntu laptop<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:05:15Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "\u2026but not at the bottleneck?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:05:38Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "that is where it'd matter<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:05:45Z"}, {"author": "Richard Scheffenegger", "text": "but is your ubuntu laptop the congestion point? (have you throttled the outgoing link to less than your Wifi effective rate)?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:05:52Z"}, {"author": "Chris Box", "text": "Bob is there any wireless component of your audio path or is it all wired?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:06:11Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "Maybe set the DSCP correctly, bob...? ;-)<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:07:51Z"}, {"author": "Gorry Fairhurst", "text": ":grinning:<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:08:05Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "do you have Bluetooth headset, Bob?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:08:18Z"}, {"author": "Richard Scheffenegger", "text": "The peculiar failuire mode on the audio stream is rather specific to you, Bob - never heard that type from other participants...<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:08:35Z"}, {"author": "Tom Jones", "text": "must be having linux in the home<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:09:14Z"}, {"author": "Bob Briscoe", "text": "@Jonathan, @Richard, it's the interrupts from the incoming video and remote desktop sharing that seem to be the problem on my laptop. But not fully nailed down.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:09:51Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "I think Pete found a similar kind of problem when trying to use Firefox in Linux, but pre-meeting testing allows eliminating such trouble by switching to a different platform<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:10:32Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "either Chromium in Linux, or anything on a Mac<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:10:46Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "the point is to plan ahead, test, and be proactive<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:11:16Z"}, {"author": "Sebastian Moeller", "text": "MIC: What is the timeframe for the 45 assignment? If NQB becomes popular and supported ubiquitously, keeping 45 seems not needed as this is only to fudge NQB into existing/future-legacy WiFI deployment?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:12:42Z"}, {"author": "Bob Briscoe", "text": "@Jonathan, yeah it's hard, cos I have changed the NIC in my laoptop so I can use an open source driver, and I avoid Chrome for political reasons.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:12:44Z"}, {"author": "Sebastian Moeller", "text": "Gorry, exactly the core of my question?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:14:44Z"}, {"author": "Sebastian Moeller", "text": "Thanks.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:15:32Z"}, {"author": "Richard Scheffenegger", "text": "I believe the stream slide and local shown version are not the same?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:17:54Z"}, {"author": "Richard Scheffenegger", "text": "or my slide stream stopped... hmm<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:18:13Z"}, {"author": "Peter Heist", "text": "same for me<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:18:34Z"}, {"author": "Anna Brunstrom", "text": "stream is still on the title slide<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:18:34Z"}, {"author": "Richard Scheffenegger", "text": "my stream was stalled. had to reload.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:18:46Z"}, {"author": "Richard Scheffenegger", "text": "(the giveaway was a 0bps rate and red box in top left ;) )<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:19:10Z"}, {"author": "Toerless Eckert", "text": "Richard: Thanks. Cool example.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:34:04Z"}, {"author": "Bob Briscoe", "text": "@Sebastian it's not just Firefox - I get the same problem with a dedicated conferencing app like zoom over Ubuntu<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:44:36Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "the great thing about open source is that you can track down these problems yourself, if you're suitably skilled and motivated<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:46:00Z"}, {"author": "Tom Jones", "text": "Gorry said what I was going to<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:55:20Z"}, {"author": "Bob Briscoe", "text": "@Jonthan, I am not dogmatic about open source. Yes, of course you can fix things yourself. But in general, I find the chance of open-source being maintained well is much poorer.<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:55:57Z"}, {"author": "Tom Herbert", "text": "@bob A reference open source implementation goes a long way to satisify the \"running code\" requirement of IETF<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:58:13Z"}, {"author": "Sebastian Moeller", "text": "@Bob, apparently you have the same issue with garbled audio both with windows and linux? So open source does not seem to be the issue?<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T10:59:54Z"}, {"author": "Bob Briscoe", "text": "Well, it was only on Ubuntu until the one occasion on Wed when it also happened on Windows. Usually Windows reliably resolves<br/>", "time": "2022-03-25T11:00:47Z"}]