[{"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

Yeah for a 3 am plenary!

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:31:38Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "

thankfully only half-past-midnight here, though it'll go on until 2:30am

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:32:21Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

mcr: time is relative :-)

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:32:33Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "

lunchtime doubly so

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:32:43Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "

although whoever has lunch after midnight is a maniac

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:33:03Z"}, {"author": "Eve Schooler", "text": "

yes we can hear you

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:33:31Z"}, {"author": "Greg Wood", "text": "

the a/v folks are just sorting some issues in the room. session should start shortly

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:33:33Z"}, {"author": "Cindy Morgan", "text": "

Hi everyone! They are fixing something with the audio in room, so we will be a few minutes still

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:33:38Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

time is relative, Einstein dixit

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:33:40Z"}, {"author": "Ian Williams", "text": "

Jonathan Morton said:

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although whoever has lunch after midnight is a maniac

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In theory, noon the next day is past midnight...the previous day. ;)

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:33:41Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

midnight as 0000h is the start of the day

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:34:33Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "

don't feed the mogwais after midnight

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:35:17Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

:clock: :arrow: :banana:

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:35:22Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Sounds like Lars has a new job: microphone holder

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:35:48Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "

it's aslow mic drop

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:36:07Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

It's like watching a mic drop in slow motion?

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:36:26Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

lars is now saturating the mic

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:37:31Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "

:mask::wave:

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:37:45Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Yes. The \"angled\" position was actually picking him up just fine.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:37:55Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Folks, this is unpleasant. I don't know I should be sitting 120 minutes listering to a limiting microphone.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:39:42Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

What happens to the lighting?

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:39:47Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

You can stand and walk around the monitor

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:40:22Z"}, {"author": "Anthony Somerset", "text": "

Carsten Bormann said:

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What happens to the lighting?

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the lighting is what it is unfortunately

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:40:29Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

MeetEcho - any chance of getting the mic throttled a bit?

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:40:30Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

:clap:

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:41:02Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "
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Comcast and NBCUniversal

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Aren't they the same entity?

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:41:11Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "

Note to speakers: THE PODIUM MIC IS VERY SENSITIVE, so hold it a bit further away

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:42:02Z"}, {"author": "Samuel Weiler", "text": "

just spoke to the tech guy.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:42:22Z"}, {"author": "Jim Fenton", "text": "

A nicely short speech from the sponsor; thanks.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:42:55Z"}, {"author": "John Levine", "text": "

weren't we here in 2008?

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:43:03Z"}, {"author": "John Levine", "text": "

got the tee shirt

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:43:11Z"}, {"author": "Jim Fenton", "text": "

Yes, IETF 71

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:43:12Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

Typing \"@meetecho\" tends to get tech people's attention.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:43:16Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Carsten Bormann said:

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Folks, this is unpleasant. I don't know I should be sitting 120 minutes listering to a limiting microphone.

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Maybe it will end up only being 45 minutes, at this rate...

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:43:23Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "

@meetecho, the podium mic is clipping, please turn down the gain

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:43:55Z"}, {"author": "Cullen Jennings", "text": "

most the mics have been too hot all week - particularly anyone that is remote

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:44:03Z"}, {"author": "Ben Campbell", "text": "

The mic sounds fine in the room, so it may be a mix gain setting.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:44:25Z"}, {"author": "Anthony Somerset", "text": "

aux send

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:44:40Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

yes, likely that, but it is really hurting us

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:44:47Z"}, {"author": "Jim Fenton", "text": "

Podium mic is loud, but not clipping significantly in room. Clipping may be happening somewhere else.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:44:47Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "

right, so fixable by the tech team

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:44:47Z"}, {"author": "Samuel Weiler", "text": "

@Ben Campbell it only sounds great because people are holding it too far away, to compensate.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:45:07Z"}, {"author": "Anthony Somerset", "text": "

is that better

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:45:23Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

yes!

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:45:29Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "

yes

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:45:36Z"}, {"author": "Anthony Somerset", "text": "

happy?

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:45:36Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Hoyland", "text": "

Very significantly

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:45:39Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

thanks!

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:45:42Z"}, {"author": "Jon Peterson", "text": "

Nobody bakes a cake as tasty as a TastyKake

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:46:17Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Is it more likely that the quarantine required to re-enter China would be less onerous by the time of 115?

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:48:06Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "

it'll be approaching winter and the UK is probably a bit of a hotspot, so don't count on it

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:48:56Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "

(NHS is already in crisis mode in the middle of summer)

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:49:23Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Audio glitch for everyone (remote) or just me?

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:51:14Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

mcr: some of the pressure for side meetings comes lack of session time. Again, my opinion is that the answer is fewer tracks and more virtual interim meetings.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:51:22Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Hoyland", "text": "

Working for me @Ben

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:51:37Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

@Benjamin Kaduk no glitch for me

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:51:47Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

audio now WFM, too

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:51:53Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "

@Ben Probably just you... pretty smooth here.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:51:55Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Thanks all

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:52:00Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

@mcr: Cross-area tourism stops with virtuals, and so far as I've seen this week it's mostly produced useful input for the groups that get it.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:53:09Z"}, {"author": "Ben Campbell", "text": "

Does signing into the MeetEcho room automatically subscribe us to the zulip stream for that room? Running the stand-along Zulip client, I see several streams I don't recall subscribing to, including this one. (Not a complaint--it's actually convenient.)

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:54:16Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "

@Ben Campbell no, the Meetecho client doesn't subscribe you to the streams when you join a session

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:54:44Z"}, {"author": "Behcet Sarikaya", "text": "

Folks, slides deck available somewhere?

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:55:08Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/114/materials/slides-114-ietf-sessa-all-slides-ietf-114-plenary-01

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:55:18Z"}, {"author": "Ross Finlayson", "text": "

Well then, what is this chat session? Is it not 'Zulip'?

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:55:30Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "

It is Zulip

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:55:44Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

The Meetecho chat is reflected here.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:55:49Z"}, {"author": "Ben Campbell", "text": "

@Lorenzo Miniero Interesting. I must be sleep-subscribing :-)

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:55:54Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

(Or I should say, Jabber.)

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:56:08Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

it is #plenary at zulip.ietf.rog

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:56:12Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Lennox", "text": "

Out of curiosity, is there a webpage with zulip archives like there was a Jabber archive page?

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:56:41Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

zulip itself provides that

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:56:51Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "

@Lorenzo: maybe our terminology is different, but I assume that seeing and being able to comment in the Meetecho/Zulip was equivalent to subscribing to that (or something -- still don't understand the Jabber relationship)

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:57:05Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

look at the stream and scroll backwards

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:57:05Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

We are looking at capturing the conversation during a MeetEcho session directly as an artifact for the session in the datatracker going forward

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:57:28Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Lennox", "text": "

So only within the app/JS app, not as a separate downloadable page?

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:57:33Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

I do not find this news exciting.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:57:42Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

@Pete Resnick you're saying that having more work doesn't excite you? :wink:

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:58:07Z"}, {"author": "Cullen Jennings", "text": "

Huge thanks to Ekr & Pete

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:58:15Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "

@Cullen: +1 whether Pete is excited or not

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:58:44Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

Daywise archive link is needed to include in minutes and link to mailing list

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:58:46Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "

@John Klensin in this context we were talking about actual Zulip stream subscriptions, which is part of their API

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:58:58Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

We have echo.

", "time": "2022-07-27T21:59:56Z"}, {"author": "Bernie Hoeneisen", "text": "

there is an echo

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:00:00Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

us remote folks are getting echo from the room though,

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:00:03Z"}, {"author": "Eve Schooler", "text": "

+1

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:00:04Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "

@Lorenzo: Thanks. Proves again that I am easily confused.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:00:16Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

+1 hearing echo from room

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:00:19Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

mcr: @Pete, I'm not arguing for no time for WGs, and no tourism, but rather that we use our together time very very wisely.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:00:30Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

@mcr: ack

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:00:59Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

echo is under control

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:01:06Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Says who?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:01:16Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

well, for me anyhow...

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:01:23Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

It's no longer apocalyptic, but it's still there.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:01:32Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

We can hear a bit of the echo in the room.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:01:51Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Hoyland", "text": "

You can pause the onsite stream to get rid of any residual echo.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:01:53Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

How?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:02:11Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

pause button in the box mirja shows up in?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:02:27Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

Dhruv Dhody said:

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Daywise archive link is needed to include in minutes and link to mailing list

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We can get a link to the message in the zulip, so that could serve as the purpose for archive link!

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:02:37Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "

That's for video, audio is mixed so that wouldn't work

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:02:44Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

I think that the other people onsite might object if I paused audio here

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:02:57Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

@dhruv - again, we're looking at making the chat log for a session a meeting artifact directly in the datatracker.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:03:15Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

It's bearable

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:03:20Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "

cokin's audio sis

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:03:24Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

if it gets any worse, consider turning off the podium mic during remote presentations. For right now, leave it alone (afaiac)

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:04:08Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "

Colin's audio is a bit too loud in the room, could do with turning down to avoid deafening us all

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:04:14Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

The loud sound matches his enormous head appearing on the screen.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:04:42Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

We need to do more to advertise these travel grants far and wide

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:05:02Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Sorry, we academics have enormous heads

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:05:09Z"}, {"author": "Colin Perkins", "text": "

Is true

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:05:24Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Does that come with being faculty or having an advanced degree?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:05:33Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "

After a careful reading of the tiny type, ROFL

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:05:48Z"}, {"author": "Samuel Weiler", "text": "

hmmmmm. I see Rich's own name in that list.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:07:07Z"}, {"author": "Samuel Weiler", "text": "

I object.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:07:29Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

reply to the mail Rich sent

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:07:40Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

(I suspect it was corrected after the slide was made)

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:07:57Z"}, {"author": "Samuel Weiler", "text": "

(his name isn't on the emailed list.)

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:08:36Z"}, {"author": "Kyle Rose", "text": "

Does it matter? He's not eligible as chair, so if he's near the top of the list he'll just get skipped.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:09:36Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

@Kyle Rose it changes the results

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:10:17Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

I think that he is not on the final list, so this is academic, but nevertheless

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:10:31Z"}, {"author": "Kyle Rose", "text": "

Yes, but not in a way that can be gamed. The randomness is selected after the list is finalized.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:10:39Z"}, {"author": "Anthony Somerset", "text": "

+100 to the coffee carts - open them up more next time!

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:12:03Z"}, {"author": "Kyle Rose", "text": "

The nomcom selection procedure is actually quite good. The only problems (as we've seen recently) result from after-the-fact potential revelations, where revealing the problem or not can be gamed. In this case, it's self-evident from the start that Rich is not eligible.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:12:39Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Maybe if we get some more brand exposure the sponsor will be willing to shell out more money.
\n\"The Comcast NBCUniversal supplied coffee this morning was excellent! Thank you, Comcast NBCUniversal!\"

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:12:53Z"}, {"author": "Samuel Weiler", "text": "

any numbers on how many people are using the childcare?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:13:08Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

dkg: +1 for having childcare at the IETF

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:13:21Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

mcr: what's the maximum age for the child care? am I allowed?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:13:32Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

mcr: will bring his legos to IETF115.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:13:50Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

dkg: even if not many people are using it now, we should keep offering it to make it clear that caregivers are welcome and supported here.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:13:59Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

mcr: dkg, I totally agree.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:14:15Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "

Only two families. I\u2019m one of them.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:14:30Z"}, {"author": "Shivan Sahib", "text": "

+1 for childcare! more onsite conferences/meetings should do this

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:14:35Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

dkg: mcr: you didn't bring your legos\u203d tsk, tsk

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:14:57Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "

Your kids should play with my kids they are fund and hilarious

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:15:00Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Hoyland", "text": "

@dkg 100%. Some of my friends made use of childcare facilities at RWC and they said it was what enabled them to come.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:15:02Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "

*fun

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:15:04Z"}, {"author": "Erik Nygren", "text": "

how many attendees took advantage of the on-site childcare this time?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:15:16Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

mcr: dkg: what if US customs had impounded them? I couldn't risk it.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:15:18Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

dkg: Erik, Mallory said (above) two families this time

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:15:49Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "

is that what the hilton looks like after the remodel?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:16:49Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "
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Sponsorship opportunities available!

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Is it ever the case that such opportunities are not available?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:16:52Z"}, {"author": "Kyle Rose", "text": "

w00t!

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:17:03Z"}, {"author": "Ross Finlayson", "text": "

Yokohama was a great host before; It'll be great to go back there!

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:17:43Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

+1

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:17:53Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Lennox", "text": "

The Pacifico was the venue we were in last time, right?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:18:00Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Hoyland", "text": "

I love Yokohama

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:18:01Z"}, {"author": "Samuel Weiler", "text": "

@Jonathan Lennox : the hotel, yes. We used the adjacent convention hall for mtgs.,

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:18:49Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Hoyland", "text": "

And thankfully it's much closer to Tokyo than Bangkok, for those who want to attend RWC (which is the same week :facepalm:)

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:19:13Z"}, {"author": "Kyle Rose", "text": "

Is that the Intercontinental? Because that's my recollection of the IETF 94 host hotel.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:19:14Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

and a great social :)

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:19:25Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Audit taking longer than expected, isn't that a bad sign?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:22:16Z"}, {"author": "Kyle Rose", "text": "

Waiting to hear about the embezzlement charges

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:22:38Z"}, {"author": "Anthony Somerset", "text": "

Benjamin Kaduk said:

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Audit taking longer than expected, isn't that a bad sign?

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not neccesarily - often happens if its a new incoming auditor

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:22:47Z"}, {"author": "Anthony Somerset", "text": "

nice photo @Joel Halpern

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:26:51Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Lennox", "text": "

I feel like this should have a dot transfer ceremony like for ADs

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:28:05Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "

AFAIK, all of the dots associated with the Trust have been duly transferred.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:29:27Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

mcr: so if I've made a badge for protocol FOO, I guess I can transfer it to the Trust. Hmm.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:31:26Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Hoyland", "text": "

Can we have them printed as laptop stickers, because, um, I want stickers?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:31:32Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

I'm pretty sure I have TLS 1.3, QUIC, and ACME stickers already.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:31:48Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "

i have quic and http/3 stickers in my bag

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:32:10Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Hoyland", "text": "

I had them on my last laptop, but my new laptop is sadly sticker free

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:32:15Z"}, {"author": "Behcet Sarikaya", "text": "

Can someone transcribe the question?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:44:08Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "

sure

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:44:16Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "

how long is a piece of string?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:44:21Z"}, {"author": "Behcet Sarikaya", "text": "

@lucas thanks

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:44:34Z"}, {"author": "Erik Nygren", "text": "

I guess we also need an IPv6 badge. (There are the World IPv6 Launch ones, but those are ten years old.)

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:44:55Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Implicit concern about long delays between publication-requested from WG chairs, to the IETF last call issued.
\nThis time should just be the sponsoring AD performing their review.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:45:03Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "

RFC8963

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:45:10Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

I think the datatracker's idea of the time is 14 days, yes.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:46:28Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

But would like someone else to chime in on whether the question as asked was time to last call or time to RFC-Editor queue or something else.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:46:50Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

it was pubreq to LC.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:47:07Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "

The question was definitely time between publication request and start of LC

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:47:17Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "

no need to point fingers at the IESG when like 2/3 of WG milestones are stale or overdue

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:47:17Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

I think the IESG should assume that the normal poking of ADs happened in Adrian's specific case and the delay is not normal.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:47:21Z"}, {"author": "Rich Salz", "text": "

You can download the image and go to a place like stickermule, they are cheap. And then sell the rest and retire

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:47:22Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

So Lars answered a bunch of other stuff, ok.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:47:22Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

He would not be asking otherwise.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:47:29Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "

Pubreq to TC is rarely the longest time -- bulk of the time is inside the WG

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:47:38Z"}, {"author": "Anthony Somerset", "text": "

where does @Warren Kumari buy his hats? :D

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:48:11Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

I was certainly guilty of 8+ weeks pubreq to LC during my time as AD, but felt bad about it the whole time.
\nI just did poorly at shrinking the queue once it had gotten too long.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:48:19Z"}, {"author": "Rich Salz", "text": "

Or maybe the ietf can sell nft of the logo's for fund raising

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:48:26Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Morton", "text": "

NFT is a dirty word in my book

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:49:11Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "

the bored AD club!

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:49:14Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

But the WG status 3 times a year etc usually triggers some tracking, the time that Adrian was mentioned is a sort of the black box with no updates to the community

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:49:33Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

An IESG term or two will change your brain.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:49:44Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "

NFT's backed up by proof of waste. Exactly wahate the climate needs!

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:49:44Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

mcr: Once we have metrics, we could think about how to apply Theory of Constraints to the IESG. Probably that means not letting documents out of working groups until the AD and IESG are close to processing them.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:50:39Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

So what will five do, Robert?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:50:40Z"}, {"author": "Glenn Deen", "text": "

the trust doesn't do NFTs :)

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:50:51Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

look around at the folks who've done that.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:50:59Z"}, {"author": "Toerless Eckert", "text": "

Jonathan i have a nice No F...ing Thanks sticker on my notebook, unfortunately that is probably not IETF compliant languages got it at the hacking site in Vienna ;-)

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:51:15Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

@Benjamin Kaduk Brain damage?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:51:15Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

mcr: ADs need to think about successors when they appoint WG chairs. Very long serving WG chairs may be in the way of training ones that could become ADs.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:51:41Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

I dunno, Jeff Schiller seems to still be doing okay, last I ran into him.

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:51:43Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "

On the other hand, after a couple of IESG terms and then time on the IESG, look at me. Now you have an explanation :-)

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:53:25Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "

.. time on the IAB (can't even type)

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:53:39Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Mixing up the IESG and the IAB, hmm, that speaks volumes :wink:

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:53:48Z"}, {"author": "Samuel Weiler", "text": "

@JCK, and for your next trick, maybe the LLC board?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:54:15Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "

Sam, why would I want to do that?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:55:55Z"}, {"author": "Samuel Weiler", "text": "

to protect and serve?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:56:15Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

:clap:

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:59:06Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Can datatracker tell me what I'm shepherd for?

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:59:17Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "

perhaps call it an IESG document liaison executive so it sounds snazzier on a CV

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:59:34Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Lennox", "text": "

I'm pretty sure anyone using one of the noisemakers is not wearing their mask properly

", "time": "2022-07-27T22:59:37Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

@carsten - it _could_ - I think you can get it from search right now, but we could build a view or add that info to the personal page.

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:00:13Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

the data is there

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:00:19Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

I think a personal dashboard would help many of us, not just IESGers

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:00:52Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

I was surprised in CoRE yesterday because I had dropped the ball on one draft I was supposed to check for WGA

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:01:28Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

I'm afraid datatracker didn't know that...

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:01:45Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

\ud83e\uded5\ud83e\uded5:cookie::cookie:

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:01:52Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

apart from the personal dashboard, the shepherd and directorate reviews done could also be added to the public profile

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:02:10Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

I like the public page as it is

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:02:31Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "

can the IAB tell us about recent experiences with BOFs shepherding?

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:02:32Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Of course, the dashboards could also be public

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:02:44Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "

mic: ^

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:02:46Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "

@Dhruv this is also the plan to recognize reviews

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:02:52Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

@carsten - writing rfc is not the only way to contribute

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:03:03Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "

@Carsten, the AD dashboards are public https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/%C3%A9ric.vyncke

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:03:39Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "

public recognizition dashboards sound great

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:03:57Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

\u00c9ric: Yes, that is my role model in thinking about dashboards

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:04:06Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Dashboards should focus on the now

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:04:16Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

recognition pages are also important

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:04:26Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

sure - the person page - where it shows drafts, rfc, whatever

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:04:33Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Yes,and Dhruv is right

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:04:47Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

this is gross, but POC that data exists: https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/document/?format=json&shepherd=cabo@tzi.org

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:04:53Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Thank you!

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:05:04Z"}, {"author": "Magnus Westerlund", "text": "

I think the AD dashboards are to hard to find, similar to persons public profile pages. The best way to find them are using Google, not the data tracker.

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:05:26Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

mcr: I very much would like the reviews (and chairs and shepherd) to be clearly acknowledged in the documents and dashboards. We really need to more clearly acknowledge/reward this part of things, and that actually feeds back into the lack of available WG chairs.

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:05:34Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

I would be very wary of moving acknowledgments out of authorial discretion

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:06:09Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

+1 Ben

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:06:35Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

We could still structure them for better mining

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:06:45Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Yes

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:06:55Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

<contact role=\"sheperd\"...

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:07:19Z"}, {"author": "Benjamin Kaduk", "text": "

Oof, you're going to give us referer all over again?

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:07:35Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Yes

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:07:47Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

No AC in meetecho chat

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:07:58Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "

meh - shepherd is badly modelled right now - its a link to Email instead of a Role. But documents don't have Roles yet, which is something we keep thinking would be worth trying to add.

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:08:11Z"}, {"author": "Jabber", "text": "

mcr: I don't mind if authors have discretion ... that's find, we just need the tradition and the supporting XML.

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:08:31Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

Jari site used to link contributors, we anyway have moved away from that in datatracker,

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:09:08Z"}, {"author": "Massimiliano Pala", "text": "

Thank you, everybody!

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:09:23Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

I'm trying to improve the representation of contributors in kramdown-rfc

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:09:37Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

Thanks! Have a great rest of the week!

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:09:50Z"}, {"author": "Dhruv Dhody", "text": "

Thansk Carsten for everything you do!

", "time": "2022-07-27T23:10:00Z"}]