Note that on 802.11 Wi-Fi Alliance has as much influence as IEEE 802.11
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:48:08Z"}, {"author": "Mat Ford", "text": "is remote audio intermittently unusable for others, or is this just me?
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:49:06Z"}, {"author": "Behcet Sarikaya", "text": "my audio is OK
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:49:31Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "audio is good here
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:49:41Z"}, {"author": "Simone Basso", "text": "my audio looks good
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:49:47Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "\"looks\"
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:50:02Z"}, {"author": "Cindy Morgan", "text": "Re Barry's question about how long the IEEE coordination has been going on, the first meeting was July 2012
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:50:10Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "my video sounds great :-)
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:50:12Z"}, {"author": "Behcet Sarikaya", "text": "Thank you Cindy
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:50:34Z"}, {"author": "Jari Arkko", "text": "Phillip -- coordination doesn't necessarily imply duty to take over work even if another party is in our side's impression failing (and sometimes that's just our opinion). In some cases we can help, as Russ gave one such example. But in most other cases ... we have a role to play and that is not necessarily to work on other organizations roles such as on specific access technologies.
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:52:12Z"}, {"author": "Chris Box", "text": "One topic to explore is how to minimise the risks of collusion which destroys the partitioning. For example careful selection of parties.
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:55:06Z"}, {"author": "Chris Box", "text": "Ok, Tommy's already said that :-)
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:55:49Z"}, {"author": "Chris Box", "text": "Diversity of parties is also a good question, as Vittorio is saying.
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:57:18Z"}, {"author": "Jari Arkko", "text": "Good stuff @Tommy Pauly & al - some details discussion to be had. Not room for that now but am composing a review email.
", "time": "2022-11-08T16:57:47Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "qoq
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:19:43Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "I meant wow
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:19:55Z"}, {"author": "Phillip Hallam-Baker", "text": "During the Arab Spring, shutting down the Internet increased protests on certain days as people who had been following online went into the streets to find out what was going on.
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:20:18Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "the \"planning in advance\" is the scare me the most
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:20:51Z"}, {"author": "Phillip Hallam-Baker", "text": "Iran has its own app stores where they provide pretty much any Microsoft, Google, AutoDesk etc applications - all with backdoors that put IRG monitoring on the devices.
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:21:53Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": ":astonished:
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:23:59Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "excellent
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:26:14Z"}, {"author": "Sofia Celi", "text": "amazing set of talks! thank you!
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:26:17Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "+1 thanks guest speakers!
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:26:34Z"}, {"author": "Jari Arkko", "text": "Great talk, very interesting. And concerning. Agree that circumvention seems one of the best paths forward. Or least bad at least :-)
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:26:42Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Sullivan", "text": "Fundamentally, though, if the Islamic State is prepared to break networks left and right, there's little circumvention that is going to really work.
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:27:38Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Sullivan", "text": "I mean, in that sense the situation is little different than the situation with speech rights or other such things.
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:28:22Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "I am always wondering whether the IETF should try playing the cat and mice game of circumvention. But as PHB says, good crypto helps, and so would studies of steganography
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:28:25Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "not a simple problem to fix
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:28:25Z"}, {"author": "Markus Stenberg", "text": "I think they rely on having some networking in place (like about any other country by now), but I wouldn't really hope on any standardized tool staying functioning long. That is not to say it is not worth doing though, just question of forum.
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:28:42Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "at least not for a \"standards body\"
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:28:51Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "probably something better to discuss at *NOG forums
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:29:23Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Sullivan", "text": "The Islamic State's plan is basically \"Iran Online\": a semi-Internet-connected gateway that is largely controlled by the state. We can certainly think of other states that do that too.
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:29:34Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "Anybody interested in a stealthy version of ECH?
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:29:36Z"}, {"author": "Markus Stenberg", "text": "I'm not sure we even won cat and mice game with middleboxes, and those were not actively hostile. Due to that, I think against active opponent different forum is needed.
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:29:43Z"}, {"author": "Phillip Hallam-Baker", "text": "@Jorge Amodio Well anything that is standardized is going to be something the adversary can work at detecting and blocking. But we can have a standards based cryptographic payload being carried within a steganographic wrapper.
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:30:20Z"}, {"author": "Piers O'Hanlon", "text": "Tor Iranian users: https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-combined.html?start=2022-08-10&end=2022-11-08&country=ir
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:30:26Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Sullivan", "text": "I do think there might be some evasion techniques might help, but in the end the governments who want to break these things are prepared to sacrifice extremely large amounts of functionality in order to prevent connections
\n they don't like.
Also, anybody interested in developing chaff insertion methods to disguise encrypted coms and beat fingerprinting?
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:31:35Z"}, {"author": "Phillip Hallam-Baker", "text": "@Piers O'Hanlon TOR is great when it isn't being blocked. But it isn't a steganographic protocol. If you know you are looking for TOR packets...
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:31:44Z"}, {"author": "Sofia Celi", "text": "Def. snowflake is an amazing tool: https://snowflake.torproject.org/
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:32:06Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "very interesting
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:32:43Z"}, {"author": "Sofia Celi", "text": "thank you for the amazing session!
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:32:48Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "+1
", "time": "2022-11-08T17:32:58Z"}]