the notes page does not seem to be setup for this meeting.
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:00:05Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "Michael: it seems to be working here, after you sign in via the datatracker
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:01:35Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "Or do you mean it's the wrong doc?
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:01:42Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "I just get sent to the HedgeDoc main page.
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:02:03Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "Note taking tool, then open in new tab, or in the session.
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:02:19Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "There is now an empty page.
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:02:41Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "When I open that, the HedgeDoc landing page shows up for me: from there, I can click the \"Sign in\" button in the top right (using my datatracker credentials) and I get in
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:03:41Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "I shouldn't need to sign up unless I want to edit.
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:04:11Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "Volume is bad.
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:07:50Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Lennox", "text": "Not hearing Alexei (sp?) well
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:07:52Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Lennox", "text": "Much better
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:08:05Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "The mic was turned off
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:08:11Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Lennox", "text": "That'll do it
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:08:16Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "How's the remote audio
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:36:03Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "Do I need to adjust the mic height?
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:36:18Z"}, {"author": "Jay Daley", "text": "Great audio
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:36:32Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "Awesome!
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:37:58Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Bernier", "text": "to be honest wondering what are the benefits of the linkage between IETF and eBPF
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:52:50Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "Alright, a dissenting opinion.
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:59:27Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Bernier", "text": "thank you @joel
", "time": "2023-03-27T04:59:31Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "We are not having difficulty finding a home. We just think that IETF might be a good one.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:00:08Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Bernier", "text": "@Daniel Havey but to standardize what ?
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:01:16Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "Alexei has an itemized list on his slides.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:02:58Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Bernier", "text": "ok similarly these components, if I look at P4 are being done in a completely independent forum and it works.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:04:49Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "@Daniel Bernier , good point. IETF is not the only forum, but it could be the best one. I hope that will be determined in this session.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:07:10Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "However, I am willing to be convinced otherwise.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:12:44Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "For the remote folks that is David Vernet
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:12:47Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "@Dan Bernier, I do have a slide to show some linkage
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:13:21Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "There are a bunch of people using eBPF for implementing IETF technologies
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:13:59Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "That is not something conclusive to say it needs to get standardized in the IETF but provides some additional context
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:14:25Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Bernier", "text": "that is not the same angle. I do think there is a good benefit of integrating more BFP with IETF to a) get even faster, simpler running code b) help evolving networking beyond encaps and into another realm.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:16:40Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "Thanks Daniel! Makes perfect sense
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:17:57Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "For the remote folks that is Miya Kohno
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:18:05Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Bernier", "text": "its the other way around were I am debating
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:18:30Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "@Daniel, would you like to get to the queue
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:19:13Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "We have time
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:19:18Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "That's a good point
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:19:35Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "There are people from the Windows kernel as well.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:24:07Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "eBPF Foundation is really not the right place for standardization.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:27:37Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Bernier", "text": "@daniel havey I do agree to that
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:28:56Z"}, {"author": "Harald Alvestrand", "text": "The Linux kernel adheres to a bunch of RFCs already......
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:29:07Z"}, {"author": "Harald Alvestrand", "text": "and the POSIX standards. And the C standards. And probably a bunch of other specs.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:29:33Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "There is a draft charter available at
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:33:16Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-bpf/
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:33:18Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "In case people want to read ahead or along during our charter discussion
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:33:38Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Bernier", "text": "thanks @suresh
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:35:57Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "80 col screen and good vision!
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:37:04Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Bernier", "text": ":grin:
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:37:17Z"}, {"author": "Harald Alvestrand", "text": "language note: take out \"revolutionary\". It does not add information.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:38:49Z"}, {"author": "Harald Alvestrand", "text": "\"verifier expectations and building blocks\" sounds a bit mushy given that the verifier's correctness is possibly the most critical security related component in the ecosystem.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:40:11Z"}, {"author": "Harald Alvestrand", "text": "it's not a binary .. \"clear enough to get started\" is != \"as clear as it can possibly be\".
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:45:28Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "In French we call this \u00ab\u00a0la fabrique du consentement\u00a0\u00bb and I think it is biased
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:46:54Z"}, {"author": "Murray Kucherawy", "text": "Can you say why you think that?
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:47:39Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "feel free to elaborate, at the mic or on-list
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:47:48Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "I will elaborate on the list, basically I think IETF is not the right place to do this standardization work, but I won\u2019t die if some people do this work anyway.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:52:50Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "(And as Joel mentions, eBPF is a wonderful technology, no doubt about it)
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:54:46Z"}, {"author": "Anthony Somerset", "text": "i think this is a worthy experiment because there is some maturity of the ecosystem here, i can understand Joel's reservations though
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:55:55Z"}, {"author": "Harald Alvestrand", "text": "Remember to use the mike - the person who spoke off-mike just now was NOT audible at the back of the room.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:58:23Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "+1 please use the mike.
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:58:46Z"}, {"author": "Harald Alvestrand", "text": "That includes people at the chair table, I think!
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:58:50Z"}, {"author": "Anthony Somerset", "text": "@Suresh Krishnan your mic seems to be off
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:58:53Z"}, {"author": "Anthony Somerset", "text": "no audio from the chairs mic
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:59:17Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Bernier", "text": "so my question ... if we bring eBPF needs to be standardized in IETF because it affects networking, what do we do with DOCA (NVIDIA), Switchdev, P4RT ?
", "time": "2023-03-27T05:59:21Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Bernier", "text": "the importance will be on the chartering and making sure what becomes IETF realm
", "time": "2023-03-27T06:00:00Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "Not a bad idea. Doc the existing stuff first as a milestone for continuing.
", "time": "2023-03-27T06:00:09Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "Anthony: sounds fine here?
", "time": "2023-03-27T06:00:10Z"}, {"author": "Harald Alvestrand", "text": "the same thing as we do with W3C using HTTP to carry web pages?
", "time": "2023-03-27T06:00:37Z"}, {"author": "Anthony Somerset", "text": "Lorenzo Miniero said:
\n\n\nAnthony: sounds fine here?
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they sorted it - switch issue
", "time": "2023-03-27T06:00:54Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Havey", "text": "Awesome. What a fun BoF! Take care everyone.
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