[{"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

ha! it is a 19 hour time difference for me

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:30:02Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

Meh - that's just -5, I'm on +9

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:30:20Z"}, {"author": "Ronald in 't Velt", "text": "

Hey, I'm still a WG delegate:grinning:

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:32:27Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

We trust you Ronald :)

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:32:46Z"}, {"author": "Ronald in 't Velt", "text": "

At your peril:grinning:

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:33:07Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

We are disruption tolerant...

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:33:49Z"}, {"author": "Ronald in 't Velt", "text": "

I am delay tolerant

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:34:18Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

nice t-shirt ;-) legend looks familiar

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:36:26Z"}, {"author": "Sauli Kiviranta", "text": "

Good morning everyone! :)

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:36:53Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Hello Sauli

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:37:18Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Is the latest version on datatracker or github ?

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:39:54Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

The latest version is as-posted. An updated version will come after this meeting.

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:40:25Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

datatracker right ?

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:40:50Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

yes

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:40:57Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

thanks!

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:41:06Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Table 5 needs to be updated

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:44:09Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Would be interesting to hear the rationale behind reserving ipn:1.x

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:48:02Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Are you trying to have something like localhost ?

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:48:33Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

that was my read of it

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:48:45Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Yes

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:48:51Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

But not node 1 for everyone, simply node 2 from the default numbering authority.

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:49:05Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

ipn:4.1.1 would be a valid and not imply localhost

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:49:31Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

*\"node 1\" not \"node 2\" above (typo)

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:49:52Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

good point

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:50:05Z"}, {"author": "Joshua Deaton", "text": "

So only ipn:1.x.x addresses get treated as localhoset?

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:50:40Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Only ipn:0.1.x

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:50:51Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

No, only 0.1.X is localnode

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:50:57Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

which is shortened as ipn:1.x

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:50:58Z"}, {"author": "Joshua Deaton", "text": "

Copy

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:51:07Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

so non-default authorities are unregulated completely in this way.

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:52:20Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Yes. non-default authorities have the entire 2^32 node ids at their disposal.

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:52:42Z"}, {"author": "Ronald in 't Velt", "text": "

Order your \"There is no place like ipn:1.x\" T-shirts now... :slightly_smiling_face:

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:52:51Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

ha!

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:53:01Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

if they wish to reserve x.1.x as localhost, they can, but there is no requirement to do so.

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:53:06Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

right?

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:53:30Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

ET may be interested in one

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:53:31Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

No

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:53:36Z"}, {"author": "Joshua Deaton", "text": "

Is the Private range only applies to the ipn:0 as well?

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:54:01Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Yes

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:54:07Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

(as written)

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:54:11Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Agreed

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:54:28Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

Private, Null amd Localnode only apply to Default Authority

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:54:37Z"}, {"author": "Joshua Deaton", "text": "

Copy I always assume I read things wrong

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:55:01Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

BP != IP

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:55:11Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

point being if an authority wanted to set this policy for their numbers, they could.

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:55:17Z"}, {"author": "Joshua Deaton", "text": "

yup, but not required

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:55:33Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

no classes here

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:55:37Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

They may set their policy internally, but why require the universe to understand what Y.1.x means?

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:56:07Z"}, {"author": "Joshua Deaton", "text": "

classy no classes

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:56:26Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

not class, just ranges

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:56:27Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Especially is Y.1.x and Z.1.x isn't

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:56:33Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

ah, but on a node in any authority, 0.1.x is still localnode. i think i get it.

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:58:13Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

yes

", "time": "2023-03-28T00:58:48Z"}, {"author": "Robert Moskowitz", "text": "

In DRIP, in talking to one potential user, I worked out the value of having a 'testing' hierarchy. We can talk about that, but it may be of value here as well.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:05:36Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "

Fully Qualified Node Number

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:06:30Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Good work Rick

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:06:34Z"}, {"author": "Joshua Deaton", "text": "

Member Number

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:06:55Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

I like FQNN

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:07:15Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

but bpecho is not mandatory service

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:08:05Z"}, {"author": "Joshua Deaton", "text": "

Should be :grinning:

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:08:26Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

+1 to FQNN. BPEcho was an example

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:08:30Z"}, {"author": "Richard Wilhelm", "text": "

fwiw, Kim Davies is here this week

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:10:08Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

that is too much

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:10:12Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

That is a job for a dedicated entity or group of entities like the RIRs.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:10:16Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

agreed with Scott

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:10:26Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

sounds like a plan

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:11:03Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

good work adapting the document, Rick and Ed.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:11:39Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

We know we need to liaise with IANA to manage the authority number allocation - they have previous experience here with IP address allocation and DNS, so we will seek advice.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:12:57Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

can we see her speak with the pan/tilt/zoom, Ed, or is she remote?

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:12:59Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Craving to see it running locally :-)

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:13:06Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Sarah is in the room. Unsure why the camera is not tracking, we have no control of it.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:13:25Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

If RIRs (say) are going to be involved, they'll need to be consulted => board-level decisions or community policy development.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:13:29Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

ack Ed

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:13:38Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Fixed

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:13:53Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

great

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:13:54Z"}, {"author": "Adam Wiethuechter", "text": "

I suspect that its not exactly an RIR in play but \"akin\" to an RIR

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:13:58Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "

Apologies, we missed the speaker change

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:13:59Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

Currently the existing node number registry is already performing this function, so it needs handling in any case

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:14:12Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

Not sure the existing RIRs are the correct venue either. They are by definition regional, and these resources are by definition not.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:14:13Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Thank you Lorenzo!

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:14:14Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

we need somebody to start doing the allocations based on a different planet

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:14:46Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

A new RIR for space related resources is probably appropriate.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:14:48Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

For ref the word \"Organisation\" was chosen note because of some financial need, but rather to describe a \"body that hands out it's own numbers\", that could be a local footbal club, but is not expected to be

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:15:27Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Some people from ICANN may volunteer for the trip

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:15:27Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

That includes IPv6 resources dedicated to extraterrestrial comms.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:15:40Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

Note: ipn URIs aren't \"for space\" they are just URIs

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:16:45Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Does DTNMA include sort of a watchdog function ?

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:17:22Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

It allows for that

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:18:03Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

True Rick, but they are not the only resources which will be required for which there is yet no jurisdiction.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:23:02Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

+1

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:23:19Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

:grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:39:08Z"}, {"author": "Zaheduzzaman Sarker", "text": "

May be we should put this \" BP != IP\" in all DTN documents in the boilerplate text :-)

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:41:04Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

no royalties for the WG

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:42:24Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

:)

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:42:40Z"}, {"author": "Robert Moskowitz", "text": "

So this is for email to mars settlers.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:42:49Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

yep

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:42:59Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

There will be an updated design, waiting for some approvals but the entire legend is BP != IP, RFC9171, Let if Bundle

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:43:34Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Let it Bundle*

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:43:47Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Proceeds will be used to teach school kids about DTN

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:44:15Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

@Stephen Farrell do you have any writing about your implementation of email over BP ?

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:45:29Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

We used UUCP long time ago ...

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:46:12Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

And later BSMTP

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:47:06Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Agreed

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:47:27Z"}, {"author": "Joshua Deaton", "text": "

+1 for everything Ed said

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:47:56Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

We need applications for DTN

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:48:17Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

spam gets filtered at the terrestrial border to the space segment, because nobody is going to pay for the bytes to be sent into the space segments for spam.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:48:22Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

hopefully based on standards

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:48:30Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Thanks Ed

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:49:12Z"}, {"author": "Sauli Kiviranta", "text": "

\"We need applications for DTN\" +1

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:49:25Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Hey Marc's twin is on !!

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:49:43Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

both ways can exist. smtp is interoperable everywhere.

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:50:34Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

We can start with Lynx over BP

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:53:20Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

@Jorge Amodio sent a mail to the list about that before - not that informative but https://down.dsg.cs.tcd.ie/summer09paper/summer09paper/summer09.pdf - can ferret out more detail if useful

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:53:23Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Stephen Farrell said:

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Jorge Amodio sent a mail to the list about that before - not that informative but https://down.dsg.cs.tcd.ie/summer09paper/summer09paper/summer09.pdf - can ferret out more detail if useful

\n
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thanks Stephen !!

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:53:46Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

+1 for extension headers

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:59:01Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Agreed

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:59:06Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

I believe the motivation is to get momentum to discuss applications on DTN

", "time": "2023-03-28T01:59:28Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

I managed the UUCP maps for .AR looooooong time ago

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:00:05Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

but actually UUCP was just a file transfer, actually two, one with the header and body, and one the arguments for uuxqt which actuall called mail using the file transferred as a source :-)

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:00:52Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

exactly this. Stu has the full proxy concept precisely.

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:01:18Z"}, {"author": "Robert Moskowitz", "text": "

see how wget downloads a fancy web page and get all the content. We have stuff that does this now.,

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:01:19Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "

is there a \"guidance for application developers using BPv7\" document of some kind?

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:01:58Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

Sadly no

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:02:12Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Would be nice to have one

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:02:42Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

Volunteers?

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:02:51Z"}, {"author": "Robert Moskowitz", "text": "

Good night until session 3.

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:03:01Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

:spock:

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:03:36Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

+1

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:05:17Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

so I think the discussion of where to spend WG cycles would really benefit from someone who's planning to deploy e.g. mail or HTTP-applications in some planned DTN, I've no idea if there're such folks engaging these days though?

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:06:44Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

We have several people at IPNSIG interested to get some guidance about how to deploy applications over DTN in a consistent manner, for space and terrestrial applications

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:08:18Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

Yep. We are relatively well tooled up to test those types of deployments.

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:08:53Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Some terrestrial applications are calling to provide services in areas with constrained resouces and in case of emergencies

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:09:04Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Jorge - could we use that interest to spur discussion on these needs on the DTNWG list?

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:09:16Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Absolutelly

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:10:04Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

We might even be able to pull off writing some of those implementations :)

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:11:42Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

wrt email I reckon you need to know things like whether the same mail accounts need to be accessible before, during and after a space mission or whether e.g. a special mail a/c would be used during the mission (with some forwarded from longer lasting accounts) - that's the kind of thing you'd need a space agency to opine on though before figuring out what to design/test

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:11:50Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

I'm not sure the answer is encapsulating existing protocols into BP, but the motivation and use case is there, not in a very distant future we will have people on the Moon craving to have access to information via different applications

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:14:48Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

One of the key aspects that drove the development to the Internet was, and still is the existance of standards, mostly by the great work of IETF

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:15:44Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

And of course this will also require some level of colaboration with CCSDS

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:16:18Z"}, {"author": "Joshua Deaton", "text": "

I see it as people want access to certain things on the other side of a DTN network as if the DTN network didn't exist. What is the best way to accomplish this? I would think this would force us to go beyond simple encapsulation

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:17:34Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "

I think this is useful for describing a conceptual FIB

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:17:44Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

Very - because we need to be able to describe a \"group of EIDs\" so we can specify what to do with them

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:18:15Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Move the camera Ed :-)

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:19:05Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Great thanks !!

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:19:31Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "

Please don't touch the cameras, we can control them remotely

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:19:38Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "

Just nudge us in case we miss speaker changes

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:19:47Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

we can do that with dedicated tlds, i think, stephen, that get parsed differently by the different dns systems in use on various planetary bodies. for example, all emails destined for earth would be to $domain.tld.earth. when the smtp transaction transits the bp network and is built into a new ip transaction with a local dns lookup on earth, the .earth is stripped off.

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:20:13Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

so on earth, there is a .mars zone, and on mars, there is a .earth zone.

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:22:56Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

THANK YOU to all of our presenters for this WG meeting.

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:25:47Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

A large amount of very good material showing the diversity of this work.

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:26:03Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

Absolutely agree +1

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:26:17Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

+1

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:26:24Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

So sad I couldn't be there

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:26:36Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

You are missed!

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:26:48Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

We will let the meeting continue as best we can, but meetecho will quit out on its own after a small grace period.

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:28:47Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "

No it won't :)

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:29:06Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Oh! Glad to hear

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:29:17Z"}, {"author": "Koojana Kuladinithi", "text": "

I also cannot hear

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:29:30Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Great presentation !

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:32:08Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Joshua - did you want to jump back in quickly?

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:32:13Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

xrtc.org

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:34:21Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Great session !!

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:34:55Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

lol

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:35:02Z"}, {"author": "Sauli Kiviranta", "text": "

Thank you all!

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:35:03Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

hanging in san fran for a few months sounds fun

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:35:21Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

We should try to get a tour to JPL

", "time": "2023-03-28T02:35:27Z"}]