# IETF116 ANIMA WG Meeting Agenda and Notes   {#ietf116-anima-wg-meeting-agenda-and-notes}

Master at: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-116-anima

IETF116 is a hybrid IETF meeting.  
Please familiarize yourself with the new&changed procedures for
participating in-person or remote:

https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/preparation/

ANIMA will have one 2 hour session,  
chaired by Sheng Jiang and Toerless Eckert  
13:00 - 15:00 (local time) Wednesday Session II, Room G316

Number of participants on meetecho: 32. In the room: 24.

# TODOs:   {#todos}

Toerless: BRSKI-PRM, request re. DNS-SD subtype use and applicability
for our purpose.  
Toerless: Shepherd Review of network-services-auto-deployment.

# Agenda   {#agenda}

## 01 Chair slides   {#01-chair-slides}

Time: 13:00 - 13:10 (10 minutes)  
Presenter: Sheng Jiang (local), Toerless Eckert (local)

Discussion about where exactly we will stop to wait for all the
documents to catch up, TTE suggests that we are going to stop after AD
review.  
Our AD (Rob) gave us the list of places where we could stop, and
discouraged us from going past IESG ballot.

Notes:

Robert Wilton - on holding drafts along the progression so that we can
still edit them later:  
We can tell him to hold drafts not to proceed from his AD review to IETF
review, as well  
as from IETF review to IESG review. That seems like the last useful
holding place to still do fixes, because once a document goes through
IESG review, the only fixes to it should be ones mandated by IESG
feedback.

## 02 Update on JWS voucher   {#02-update-on-jws-voucher}

Time: 13:10 - 13:25 (15 minutes)  
Draft: draft-ietf-anima-jws-voucher-06 (was -05 at IETF115)  
Presenter: Steffen Fries (remote)

Notes: its not an update to 8366 because it is purely a change in the  
wrapping of the voucher, but no changes to its YANG model as in RFC8366.

## 06 Update BRSKI with Pledge in Responder Mode (BRSKI-PRM)   {#06-update-brski-with-pledge-in-responder-mode-brski-prm}

Time: 13:55 - 14:10 (15 minutes)  
Draft: draft-ietf-anima-brski-prm-08 (was -05 at IETF115)   
Presenter: Steffen Fries (remote)

Toerless: Q: commercial and/or open source PoC impleemntation ?  
Steffen: currently from Steffens side closed source, but in
consideration to make them open souce. Michael also has implementation.

## 03 Update on BRSKI alternative enrollment (BRSKI-AE)   {#03-update-on-brski-alternative-enrollment-brski-ae}

Time: 13:25 - 13:35 (10 Minutes)  
Draft: draft-ietf-anima-brski-ae-04 (was -03 at IETF115)  
Presenter: David von Oheimb (remote)

## 04 rfc8366bis: summary of the wrapping up of YANG   {#04-rfc8366bis-summary-of-the-wrapping-up-of-yang}

Time: 13:35 - 13:50 (15 Minutes)  
Draft: draft-ietf-anima-rfc8366bis-07 (was -00 at IETF115)  
Presenter: Michael Richardson (remote)

Note: Michael has few minutes about augmentation in Netmod on friday to
talk about the issues.

Esko feels the choosen solution is the right one.  
Robert Wilson does not really have the model of objects, just expanding
trees.

Toerless: If any other YANG person thinks another option might work, let
them write it up in a draft, ANIMA has spent on this.

## 05 An Autonomic Mechanism for Resource-based Network Services Auto-deployment   {#05-an-autonomic-mechanism-for-resource-based-network-services-auto-deployment}

Time: 13:50 - 13:55 (5 minutes)  
Draft: draft-ietf-anima-network-service-auto-deployment-04 (was -03 at
IETF115)  
Presenter: Sheng Jiang (local)

## 07 Update on GRASP Extension for Information Distribution   {#07-update-on-grasp-extension-for-information-distribution}

Time:14:10 - 14:25 (15 minutes)  
Draft: draft-ietf-anima-grasp-distribution-07 (was -06 at IETF115)   
Presenter: Xiuli Zheng/Sheng JIANG (local)

Sheng &team working on PoC implementation and trying to make it open
source (university policies, different policies)

## 08 masa and registrar considerations documents   {#08-masa-and-registrar-considerations-documents}

Time: 14:25 - 14:35 (10 minutes)  
Presenter: Michael Richardson (remote)

Toerless: how does private key maintenance for voucher signing differs
from that management of private keys used for CA ? Michael: depends on
option of how its set up. E.g: if certificate chain is used or not. Also
BCP depends a lot on what manufacturers do, and that may not be public.

Michael: should we adopt in ANIMA ?

Toerless: what big issues can be overcome by following recommendations
of these drafts ?

Steffen: Supportive of adopting/publishing documents as operational
guidance (informational)

Robert Wilson: How much engagement is by the WG versus the
implementers/authors. Lack of energy of the working group overall as a
concern.

Matthias Kovatsch: Just getting up to speed on the WG work, high level
of detail / speed in the work on the meeting. WOuld like to see these
drafts published.

## 09 plans for interop testing going forward from IETF116   {#09-plans-for-interop-testing-going-forward-from-ietf116}

Time: 14:35 - 14:45 (10 minutes)  
Presenter: Michael Richardson (local)

Esko (on subject of when to do PoC testing across the VPN): Should be
independent of timing IETF, having components to test against up and
running all the time helps.

Matthias: is there link for documentation to use the VPN ?  
Michael will write the document, send to mailing list. Network-ID to be
disseminated on request.

## 10 ANI Autoconfiguration via DNS   {#10-ani-autoconfiguration-via-dns}

Time: 14:45 - 14:55 (10 minutes)  
Draft: draft-eckert-anima-services-dns-autoconfig-04 (only refresh since
IETF115)  
Draft: draft-eckert-anima-grasp-dnssd-02 (only refresh since IETF115)  
Presenter: Toerless Eckert (local)

## 11 Chair Wrap-off   {#11-chair-wrap-off}

Time: 14:55 - 15:00 (5 minutes)