# SIDROPS Working Group   {#sidrops-working-group}

     IETF 116  Yokohama 
     Wednesday 29 March 2023 04:00 - 06:00 UTC

*   Chair Slides / AOB - 5 mins

*   "RPKI Ecosystem Measurement"  
     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-116-sidrops-rpki-ecosystem/
    
     Randy Bush - 20 minutes
    
    "the problem is, its a pull protocol"
    
    there was a lively discussion at the microphone.

*   "ASPA deployment experience-yycix  
     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-116-sidrops-aspa-deployment-experience-yycix/
    
     Job Snijders - 5 Minutes
    
    suggests that ASPA invalids should be DROPPED at the start, not
    later on as we did with ROA (with only 5 active ASPA)  
     discussion at the level of SHOULD vs MUST on this, applicability to
    IX, general case

*   "Update on draft-spaghetti-sidrops-aspa-slurm  
     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-spaghetti-sidrops-aspa-slurm/
    
     Job Snijders - 5 Minutes
    
    seeking the lowest common denominator/MVP for SLURM in ASPA amongst
    the RP/RTR developers. KISS principle
    
    also seeking WG adoption. Some interest in the room in this work

*   "Update on draft-ietf-sidrops-rfc6482bis  
     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-rfc6482bis/01/ 
    
     Job Snijders - 5 Minutes
    
    WGLC on the proposed BIS. Nobody spoke against so it goes to the
    list for WGLC noting some concerns/nits to come

*   "draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-asgroup" (new work)  
     https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-asgroup-00.html
    
     Job Snijders - 15 Minutes
    
    the inevitable consequences of not having flag days in a world of
    IRR/RPSL and RPKI signed objects. proposing a strawman 3779 related
    ASN1 object to manage the AS\_SET/grouping function in a managed
    cryptographically verified hierarchical manner
    
    Some lively discussion. If this is a strawman it did it's job (hah)

*   "ASPA-based AS Path Verification Draft Update"   
     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification
    
     Kotikalapudi Sriram - 10 Minutes
    
    v13 in WGLC. No time for Qs

*   "RFC 8183 BPKI Key Rollovers" (new work)  
     Tim Bruijnzeels - 20 Minutes
    
    mechanistic and logistical issues around managing children, so its
    not RPKI its the bPKI alongside  
     proposes 2 docs. Comment from Chat: (RobA) *I want problem analysis
    for what Tim is talking about before we decide what protocol changes
    are needed. Best practice document is reasonable.*