[{"author": "Daniel Gillmor", "text": "<p>and yes, i welcome others pitching in, too</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:30:06Z"}, {"author": "Deb Cooley", "text": "<p>and we aren't looking for a transcription, just rough notes are fine.</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:30:20Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>I will also watch this chat, so if anyone wants something relayed to the room in a disembodied voice, please preface it with \"mic:\"</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:31:16Z"}, {"author": "Deb Cooley", "text": "<p>meetecho:  can we turn up the volume?</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:32:28Z"}, {"author": "Samantha Frank", "text": "<p>Yes</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:33:04Z"}, {"author": "Amir Omidi", "text": "<p>Loud &amp; Clear</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:33:07Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "<p>Is it a problem for local attendees or remote ones? Which volume is low?</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:33:31Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Gillmor", "text": "<p><span class=\"user-mention\" data-user-id=\"197\">@Lorenzo Miniero</span> i think we're hearing Yoav (who is remote) fine now, thanks</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:34:07Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "<p>Ack!</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:34:13Z"}, {"author": "Brian Dickson", "text": "<p>This seems to heavily overlap with work in the dnsop wg.<br>\nTheir draft is well along the way, although not yet adopted as a WG item, I believe.</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:41:23Z"}, {"author": "Brian Dickson", "text": "<p>(Also, a functional ecosystem built on an expired draft: domainconnect - I plan on resurrecting the draft.)</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:42:33Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "<p>Which ID(s) Brian?</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:43:08Z"}, {"author": "Brian Dickson", "text": "<p><a href=\"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-domain-verification-techniques-02\">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-domain-verification-techniques-02</a></p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:46:05Z"}, {"author": "Brian Dickson", "text": "<p>(The one you just reviewed, Jim)</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:46:13Z"}, {"author": "Brian Dickson", "text": "<p>Domain Connect:<br>\n<a href=\"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carney-regext-domainconnect/\">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carney-regext-domainconnect/</a></p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:46:52Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "<p>I thought it was <em>that</em> one Brian - just wanted to be sure.<span aria-label=\"grinning\" class=\"emoji emoji-1f600\" role=\"img\" title=\"grinning\">:grinning:</span></p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:47:42Z"}, {"author": "Amir Omidi", "text": "<p><a href=\"https://cabforum.org/baseline-requirements-documents/\">https://cabforum.org/baseline-requirements-documents/</a></p>\n<p><a href=\"https://cabforum.org/wp-content/uploads/CA-Browser-Forum-BR-v2.0.0.pdf\">https://cabforum.org/wp-content/uploads/CA-Browser-Forum-BR-v2.0.0.pdf</a></p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:48:30Z"}, {"author": "Brian Dickson", "text": "<p>I am aware of a large CA that would be interested in moving as soon as the requirements get updated. (Brian from GoDaddy)</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:49:42Z"}, {"author": "Corey Bonnell", "text": "<p><span class=\"user-mention silent\" data-user-id=\"2004\">Amir Omidi</span> <a href=\"#narrow/stream/57-acme/topic/ietf-117/near/80050\">said</a>:</p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https://cabforum.org/baseline-requirements-documents/\">https://cabforum.org/baseline-requirements-documents/</a></p>\n<p><a href=\"https://cabforum.org/wp-content/uploads/CA-Browser-Forum-BR-v2.0.0.pdf\">https://cabforum.org/wp-content/uploads/CA-Browser-Forum-BR-v2.0.0.pdf</a></p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>Section 3.2.2.4.7, in case you don\u2019t want to go digging through the whole doc</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T00:55:45Z"}, {"author": "Tim Hollebeek", "text": "<p>When we wrote the HTTP validation methods, proxying it across onion was not something we thought about, and I'm a little bit worried it might change the security assumptions a bit.  For example, a malicious exit node could perhaps cause validation to succeed when it should fail, and a bad actor could try validations until they hit the exit node they want.  Even if that doesn't work, it's probably worth doing a little bit of thinking about whether HTTP-01 over Onion is actually safe.  We intentionally wrote the Appendix B validation because Onion is a bit different.</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:02:32Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "<p>I like this.</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:19:18Z"}, {"author": "Brian Dickson", "text": "<p>Agree, useful, scalable, and the CAA spec supports adding parameters that are optional.</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:20:46Z"}, {"author": "Amir Omidi", "text": "<p>Cloudflare does that</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:20:53Z"}, {"author": "Amir Omidi", "text": "<p><a href=\"https://developers.cloudflare.com/ssl/edge-certificates/backup-certificates/\">https://developers.cloudflare.com/ssl/edge-certificates/backup-certificates/</a></p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:21:15Z"}, {"author": "Tadahiko Ito", "text": "<p>I believe we need that kind of mechanism to move toward 90 days (or short lived) certs.</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:21:15Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "<p>I think that many organizations have a backup set of CERTIFICATES, but as was said, only LE does ACME easily.</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:21:19Z"}, {"author": "Brian Dickson", "text": "<p>Add DNSSEC FTW</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:23:16Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>@Amir: Still in the queue on purpose?</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:24:12Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "<p>also the WG should know that CAA ==&gt; Canadian Automobile Association, and it's who you call to get towed.</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:24:20Z"}, {"author": "Brian Dickson", "text": "<p>Without giving too much away, it would be a good thing to pay attention to announcements from GoDaddy in the near future, concerning DNSSEC...</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:24:33Z"}, {"author": "Amir Omidi", "text": "<p>Oops left the queue</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:24:59Z"}, {"author": "Samantha Frank", "text": "<p>awwww</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:25:03Z"}, {"author": "Amir Omidi", "text": "<p>Didnt intend to be in the queue :)</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:25:07Z"}, {"author": "David Benjamin", "text": "<p>Can the client actually usefully validate the resulting cert if it knows nothing about the CA? I mean, it can check the certificate is syntactically correct, but the subscriber may legitimately want a CA that isn't known to the client.</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:25:19Z"}, {"author": "Deb Cooley", "text": "<p>But the client has an account with the CA, so....</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:26:18Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>But I think \"client\" is the cloud provider, not the same as the user.</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:27:03Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Gillmor", "text": "<p><span class=\"user-mention silent\" data-user-id=\"829\">David Benjamin</span> <a href=\"#narrow/stream/57-acme/topic/ietf-117/near/80117\">said</a>:</p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Can the client actually usefully validate the resulting cert if it knows nothing about the CA? I mean, it can check the certificate is syntactically correct, but the subscriber may legitimately want a CA that isn't known to the client.</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>If we're talking about public CAs and public servers, i'd argue that the client should know something about a widely understood pool of trust roots (whatever that means)</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:28:36Z"}, {"author": "Amir Omidi", "text": "<p>internal account binding does pertain to servers</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:28:42Z"}, {"author": "David Benjamin", "text": "<p><span class=\"user-mention\" data-user-id=\"637\">@Daniel Gillmor</span> Sure. Yeah, I guess the question is whether this is intended to be for \"the\" Web PKI or more than that. (Quotes around \"the\" because believing that's a singular PKI is already somewhat interesting.)</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:29:33Z"}, {"author": "Brian Dickson", "text": "<p>Open question: does ACME specs or this WG have any guidance to use of DANE (DNSSEC authentication of named entities)?<br>\nHas any thought been given to signaling that domain owners are using DANE, even if clients may not yet be checking for TLSA records?</p>", "time": "2023-07-25T01:30:34Z"}]