[{"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Good afternoon from Houston

", "time": "2023-07-26T16:32:35Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

Hi Felix, hi Jorge :)

", "time": "2023-07-26T16:33:48Z"}, {"author": "Marc Blanchet", "text": "

me thinking of what is the message of one co-chair wearing \"let's take this to the mailing list\" ;-)

", "time": "2023-07-26T16:35:58Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

The message is to make sure we are continuing our discussions on the mailing list! :)

", "time": "2023-07-26T16:40:22Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

Speaking of which, bping is a thing that should likely have a well known service number.

", "time": "2023-07-26T16:45:29Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

Not one I care about, but seems like every WG that specifies standards action for a codepoint range comes back to it later to change to expert review.

", "time": "2023-07-26T16:54:58Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

v6 was experimental v7 is the standard spec

", "time": "2023-07-26T16:56:44Z"}, {"author": "Felix Flentge", "text": "

CCSDS is publishing numbers in SANA, e.g. https://sanaregistry.org/r/bp_cbhe_service_numbers/

", "time": "2023-07-26T16:57:08Z"}, {"author": "Felix Flentge", "text": "

Anyway, there are just numbers for CFDP and I haven't seen them being used.

", "time": "2023-07-26T16:58:00Z"}, {"author": "Alberto Montilla", "text": "

Thanks for the responses, will follow up offline.

", "time": "2023-07-26T16:59:52Z"}, {"author": "Marc Blanchet", "text": "

Stephen Farrell said:

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Not one I care about, but seems like every WG that specifies standards action for a codepoint range comes back to it later to change to expert review.

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yeah. standard action is a very high level. RFC Required might be more middle ground. It lets an informational rfc, experimental rfc to get a service number, which is a good level but still not require full IETF concensus, which is a very high bar.

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:04:17Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

The split here was to hold back the \"super-valuable\" 1-octet numbers to Standards Action as they are a limitted resource, and have the lowest bar for the 2-octet encodings

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:05:24Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

When we will have some code to play with?

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:06:38Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Im in a middle of a company event so I can\u2019t ask live :blush:

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:07:09Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

An open-source DTNMA agent should be out in August or September. Must be out by EOFY.

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:07:21Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

The DTNMA manager should be out as open source now.

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:07:37Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

All current implementations that support ipn (pre or post update) support service numbers. The registry isn't about code.

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:07:47Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

Sorry - wrong topic ;)

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:07:58Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

:thumbsup: Thanks Ed!

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:08:02Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Nope

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:09:39Z"}, {"author": "Felix Walter", "text": "

Hi there! Brief question, is there any independent second implementation of DTNMA or do you know of efforts to create one right now?

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:15:32Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

I believe Josh Deaton is working one for DTNME

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:16:22Z"}, {"author": "Sauli Kiviranta", "text": "

Hi all! :wave:

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:16:31Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Hello Sauli!

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:16:37Z"}, {"author": "Felix Walter", "text": "

Thanks, Ed!

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:17:13Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Hola

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:17:56Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

Hey Sauli. Good to see you.

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:18:59Z"}, {"author": "Sarah Heiner", "text": "

Yes, there is existing work in DTNME (a DTN implementation out of Marshall Space Flight Center) including a DTNMA Agent and Manager. It does not include all capabilities discussed in the DTNMA, but I do believe updates are still being worked.

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:19:01Z"}, {"author": "Alberto Montilla", "text": "

At Spatiam, we are working on DTN management, with vision to gradual compliance to DTNMA.

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:19:12Z"}, {"author": "Sauli Kiviranta", "text": "

Hi Scott! Very happy I was able to make it, good to see everyone!

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:19:50Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Early OhioU BPv6 MIB: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-sims-dtnrg-bpmib-00.html

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:57:20Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

BPv6 ADM https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-birrane-dtn-adm-bp/

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:57:45Z"}, {"author": "Marc Blanchet", "text": "

Edward Birrane said:

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Early OhioU BPv6 MIB: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-sims-dtnrg-bpmib-00.html

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:+1:

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:58:01Z"}, {"author": "Marc Blanchet", "text": "

t-shirt \"bp != ip\" design, @Jorge Amodio

", "time": "2023-07-26T17:59:13Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

sounds like the makings of a native BP switch.

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:00:17Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

time to burn some asics! :)

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:00:34Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

correct

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:09:08Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

some sats have a gige bus which we can use for interconnection without having to use IP

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:09:27Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

FPGAs

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:10:10Z"}, {"author": "Felix Flentge", "text": "

https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/133x1b3e1.pdf

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:10:18Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

AISC not good to pricey

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:10:22Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

too*

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:10:24Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

for development, fpga, for sure.

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:10:34Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

for production too

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:10:45Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

hmm. no way to reach economy of scale at present, so asic = too much capex. makes sense.

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:11:19Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

https://www.microchip.com/en-us/products/fpgas-and-plds/radiation-tolerant-fpgas

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:11:48Z"}, {"author": "Alberto Montilla", "text": "

Marc, do you have the links to the drafts handy?

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:12:05Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "

thanks Felix!

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:12:06Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

thanks, Jorge.

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:12:50Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

:thumbsup:

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:13:16Z"}, {"author": "Felix Flentge", "text": "

Sorry, fragmentation is described in the data link layer protocols such as USLP --> https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/732x1b2.pdf

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:13:43Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Lack of time :-(

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:13:54Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Have a little thing we are trying to land on the Moon :blush:

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:14:29Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Agree with Rick

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:15:15Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

correct

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:15:46Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

yep

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:15:46Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

not a standard but a framework for guidance

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:16:16Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

@chairs: sorry Is the queue now for only the 1st question, or all 3?

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:16:20Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

1st question

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:16:27Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

ack

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:16:30Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

correct

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:22:02Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

SMTP and HTTP are protocols that were developed under the IP world

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:22:20Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

we need to reconsider couple of things before moving to protocol specific

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:22:40Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Marc's approach sounds interesting but imho not for adoption

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:23:09Z"}, {"author": "Sauli Kiviranta", "text": "

I think point 1 is very important document that collects together the generic parts of each attempt of BPv7 applications. Leading to points 2 and 3 as important to ever be able to feed into the point 1.

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:23:37Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Ed wrote a book related to that

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:24:08Z"}, {"author": "Sauli Kiviranta", "text": "

:thumbsup:

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:24:58Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

And what is the right forum to discuss governance, IMHO not IETF

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:25:03Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

Clear rules and directions, no expert reviews !!

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:26:03Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

YES

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:26:57Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

who reviews the experts ?

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:27:09Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

the IESG appoint designated experts

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:27:40Z"}, {"author": "Sauli Kiviranta", "text": "

Expert reviews only work if all requests and reviews are public that can be audited by anyone

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:27:47Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

not true

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:27:52Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

will

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:27:58Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

@jorge Please join the queue

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:28:06Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

most DE teams have a mailing list with a public archive

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:28:09Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

@jorge: what's not true?

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:28:25Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

can't ask realtime I'm in another meeting

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:28:31Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

governance is discussed at ICANN not IETF

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:29:45Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

ICANN are given a block of numbers by IANA to administer

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:30:55Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

CBHE numbers ?

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:31:30Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "

No... IP and other things ICANN hands out

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:32:10Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

guidance for DEs is generally in the RFC that creates the registry

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:32:30Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

and that can be any text the WG want

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:32:37Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "

SNMP Private Enterprise Numbers might be a closer, but not exact, analogue

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:32:46Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

there is no multistakeholder here

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:32:58Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8126.html#section-4

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:32:59Z"}, {"author": "Marc Blanchet", "text": "

in this discussion, it is important to distinguish ICANN and IANA. In our context, it is all about IANA.

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:33:17Z"}, {"author": "Alberto Montilla", "text": "

Folks, have to drop. Let's keep going. Thank you!

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:33:23Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

yes it moves the discussion into the multistakeholder world

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:33:41Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

Let's take it to the mailing list. :)

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:33:41Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

ditto

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:33:52Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

:)

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:33:55Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

I left the queue as we're out of time. my comment was going to be that people seem to me to be getting way ahead of themselves here

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:34:09Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

so IMO use expert review until that's a problem then if it becomes one, the WG/community can handle that

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:34:41Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

establishing an ICANN-like supersttructure for the BP now would be a bit silly

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:35:25Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

nope

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:35:37Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

it would be avoiding to make the same mistakes from the past

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:35:53Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "

meh

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:36:02Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

meh?

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:36:11Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "

what kind of argument is that?

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:36:18Z"}, {"author": "Scott Johnson", "text": "

thanks all

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:36:24Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "

thank you!

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:36:29Z"}, {"author": "Sauli Kiviranta", "text": "

Thank you everyone!

", "time": "2023-07-26T18:36:45Z"}]