[{"author": "David Black", "text": "<p>Got him!</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:02:18Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "<p>That kind of thing is one of the reasons why we should not standardize UDP options in the first place...</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:30:06Z"}, {"author": "C. Heard", "text": "<p>Christian wants to throw out the baby with the bathwater :-)</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:31:34Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "<p>Yes i do. because adding a clear text backpack to UDP packets invites all these kind of abuses.</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:32:34Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "<p>I would be happy if all firewalls just dropped any packet with UDP options.</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:33:10Z"}, {"author": "Martin Duke", "text": "<p>This does fit in the general category of \"re-enable traffic analysis by pulling things out of encryption\" which has not gone over well historically</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:35:13Z"}, {"author": "Martin Duke", "text": "<p>I almost want to get a SECDIR review before adoption.</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:39:37Z"}, {"author": "C. Heard", "text": "<p>Yes, for encrypted protocols. That does not include everything that we do. Yet.</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:39:40Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "<p>It does, or it should. In this day and age, there should be 0 tolerance for standardizing clear text protocols</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:40:21Z"}, {"author": "Magnus Westerlund", "text": "<p>So for clarity the side meeting I was talking about is the SADCDN meeting in Continental 2-3 directly after this TSVWG session. There are remote attendance possiblity</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:40:29Z"}, {"author": "C. Heard", "text": "<p>Note that high level of interest in UDP options (not all of that is stuff that I endorse these.</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:42:12Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "<p>Prettymuch all of these are attempts to export clear text data to the network. Yukk.</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:42:15Z"}, {"author": "Tom Herbert", "text": "<p>If only we could encrypt TCP headers, that would have prevented a lot of issues!</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T00:44:16Z"}, {"author": "C. Heard", "text": "<p>Thank you chairs and participants. Best wishes.</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T01:00:23Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "<p>I wonder how long it will be before there a draft about UDP options considered harmful...</p>", "time": "2023-07-26T01:02:59Z"}]