I'll work hard on it!
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:34:52Z"}, {"author": "Lou Berger", "text": "Thank you!!!
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:36:03Z"}, {"author": "J\u00e1nos Farkas", "text": "Thank you very much Pascal!
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:36:03Z"}, {"author": "Pascal Thubert", "text": "Yesterday there was an interesting discussion on Dragonfly at RIFT
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:40:10Z"}, {"author": "Pascal Thubert", "text": "while RIFT is not about deterministic, the PLR may play a role to select NECMP
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:42:46Z"}, {"author": "Pascal Thubert", "text": "in dragonfliy networks
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:43:02Z"}, {"author": "Lou Berger", "text": "for those interested in the queueing topic, please see wiki page for information on past/future open meetings: https://wiki.ietf.org/en/group/detnet/wmosq
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:47:58Z"}, {"author": "David Black", "text": "As of this moment, no future open meetings have been planned/scheduled.
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:49:01Z"}, {"author": "Lou Berger", "text": "What is the plan for the next meeting
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:54:22Z"}, {"author": "David Black", "text": "Would need to make a plan ...
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:57:52Z"}, {"author": "J\u00e1nos Farkas", "text": "Should we continue the established series?
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:00:31Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "From my understanding, before meeting we need to make sure what are the WG expectations about the evaluation of the queueing mechanisms
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:02:04Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "e.g. do we need to work on a similar example as Toerless suggested ?
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:02:34Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "If we position our solutions relatively to others, do we use the set of requirements from the large scale detnet requirement draft? in which version?
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:03:22Z"}, {"author": "David Black", "text": "Forthcoming -05 contains useful update to latency/jitter scaling requirements.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:03:58Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "Exactly
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:04:37Z"}, {"author": "David Black", "text": "Would prefer to have an agreed (or at least understood) in advance process for getting to recommendations for draft adoption for adoption before calling meetings whose purpose is to make such recommendations.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:06:21Z"}, {"author": "Abdussalam Baryun", "text": "Agree with David,
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:07:15Z"}, {"author": "J\u00e1nos Farkas", "text": "I thoght we agreed on the high level principles for the open meetings, and thought that detils on evalutaion criteria are to be developed in the open meeings
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:07:29Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "I agree with you Davi, you told what I had in mind in a far less clumsy way than I did
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:07:54Z"}, {"author": "David Black", "text": "Evaluation criteria have been developed - reflected in revisions to scaling requirements draft. Need to figure out how to make some initial decisions on recommendations.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:11:34Z"}, {"author": "J\u00e1nos Farkas", "text": "Sounds good. Should we just continue the established series? Or any change needed?
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:16:15Z"}, {"author": "Jinoo Joung", "text": "Evaluation criteria should include the explicit mathematical expression of E2E latency and jitter bounds.. without these, we depend only on the author's self-evaluation.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:22:07Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "Then we need a harmonized notation
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:26:43Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "Bearing in mind that the mechanisms discussed act on a variable set of system parameters, so maybe even with a harmonized notation we will realize that the equation we get for end to end delay are hard to compare
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:30:02Z"}, {"author": "Jinoo Joung", "text": "Unifying notations would be not a problem. There are various approaches calculating the bounds, but the results for different queuing schemes can be easily compared. That;s what happens in the research community.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:32:22Z"}, {"author": "Yizhou Li", "text": "The paper and/or implementation reports could be strong evidences to support author's self-evaluation. So it would be good to show those if any. It could help to converge.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:32:46Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "@Jinoo Do you have a reference of a paper comparing different queueing schemes using a benchmark that I may use to do the math with the mechanism I proposed ?
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:34:49Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "So I work on a similar set of assumptions / notations as you ?
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:35:28Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "One of our students has been doing fantastic work on very low latency \"glass-to-glass\" video transmission via UDP/IP generated using FPGAs. One of the use cases is flying racing drones (which can go 200km/h, so control lag matters!), another is real-time collaborative music performance over the net. They have done glass-to-IP-packet latencies of far less than a single frame time at the camera end; when doing uncompressed 8K video, latency is a single scan line. Bandwidths over WLAN obviously aren't high enough for that, so they use intraframe compression for flying the drones.
\nHe doesn't have much in English yet, but one paper in Japanese (subscription required, unfortunately):
\nhttps://ken.ieice.org/ken/paper/202205132CKb/eng/
Antoine, I will send you a reference paper.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:37:44Z"}, {"author": "Antoine Fressancourt", "text": "Thanks!
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:37:53Z"}, {"author": "Jinoo Joung", "text": "You are welcome!
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:38:05Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "Here's a paper of his on the racing drone stuff. Paper is open access, but in Japanese:
\nhttps://search.ieice.org/bin/summary.php?id=j106-b_3_227&category=-&lang=E&year=2023&abst=j
Thank you!
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:02:25Z"}, {"author": "Shaofu Peng", "text": "bye
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:02:26Z"}]