hi
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:00:37Z"}, {"author": "Tara Tarakiyee", "text": "Good morning all
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:01:10Z"}, {"author": "Scott Burleigh", "text": "I'm hearing no sound.
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:03:25Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "GM Scott, sounds is good here
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:03:43Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "remember to let your browser allow using your devices
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:04:08Z"}, {"author": "Scott Burleigh", "text": "Nuts. I've got a configuration problem.
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:04:17Z"}, {"author": "Scott Burleigh", "text": "Fixed.
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:05:19Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": ":+1:
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:05:34Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "loud and clear
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:06:51Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "Scott - would you like to share your screen or should I present slides?
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:11:02Z"}, {"author": "Scott Burleigh", "text": "Please go ahead and present.
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:11:19Z"}, {"author": "Scott Burleigh", "text": "BIBE first, I think.
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:11:37Z"}, {"author": "Felix Walter", "text": "We have a prototypical BIBE implementation (albeit without Custody Transfer) in uD3TN.
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:29:50Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "\"multipath\"
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:34:39Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "@rick can you send a pointer to the list about that work?
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:36:43Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "also lots of the source routing work today is not exactly done at the source, but at the ingress to a source routing domain
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:36:57Z"}, {"author": "Rick Taylor", "text": "@jorge - yes
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:38:20Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "TNX
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:38:27Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "+1
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:39:24Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "Great job Scott !!
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:51:21Z"}, {"author": "Scott Burleigh", "text": "Thanks!
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:52:24Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "Fantastic Rick !!
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:52:27Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "Lets move it !!
", "time": "2023-11-07T12:55:28Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "this looks really nice
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:02:32Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "+1 to an adoption call
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:02:43Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "seems like a fine thing to play with all right - is using a TXT RR with DNS-SD typical? (I dunno, just wondering)
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:03:04Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "How would this work on a node behind NAT?
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:03:25Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "@Jorge Amodio same as your printer I guess? (not sure of details myself)
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:04:34Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "it's normal, AIUI; https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6763#section-6.3
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:06:38Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "thanks Erik, I guess the authors won't be beaten up by DNS folk so much so:-)
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:07:08Z"}, {"author": "Marc Blanchet", "text": "@Jorge Amodio DNS-SD has been targetted as on a single link. There were work to make it work over multiple routers, which is already implemented by some vendors, but I don't know where it went in IETF standards (I stopped following that group at that time). So in a summary, pretty sure it won't work if it crosses a NAT, but works if both peers are on the same link.
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:07:10Z"}, {"author": "Sarah Heiner", "text": "Yes, a text RR is typical for DNS-SD - and Brian's draft discusses this in better detail in Section 3.1 https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-sipos-dtn-edge-zeroconf-01.html#section-3.1
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:08:43Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "Power rulz, not only for electronics
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:18:31Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "Moving antennas require adjusting orbital attitude ie propellant
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:18:51Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "this is all quite right about deep space missions, but I'm not clear what message that's sending to the WG (other than to not assume the impossible)
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:19:02Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "that you need to be aware when you think about standards
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:19:24Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "there was a very long discussion on various lists with a lot of non-sense and no clue about what deep space communications entail and how it works in the real world
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:20:00Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "not just the rfc you need running code that is tested and reliable
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:23:04Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "nobody is going to fly anything that is not really tested and certified for deep space
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:23:24Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "Mee too!!
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:25:38Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "last statement is not true
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:28:21Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "Jorge - can you join the queue?
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:28:39Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "have no mic
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:28:47Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "Ok. I will mention.
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:28:55Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "thanks
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:29:01Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "the last bullet point is actually two separate statements
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:29:22Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "good
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:29:37Z"}, {"author": "Tony Li", "text": "To be accurate, TCP/IP dates from Jan. 1, 1983. A bit more than 20 years... :-)
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:30:43Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "actually first draft paper is way older
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:31:05Z"}, {"author": "Tony Li", "text": "I was counting deployment. That day was the TCP cutover from NCP.
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:31:33Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "wasn't Marc more interested in lunar things though? one could make a credible case that may differ from deep-space things somewhat (still requiring delay/disruption tolerance, but differently)
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:31:34Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "lunar is less \"deep\" but still with many challenges
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:32:00Z"}, {"author": "Tony Li", "text": "Speed of light is significant even for intra-continental RTTs.
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:32:07Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "lunar has better latency, but still intermittency and power.
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:32:08Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "and soon to be spectrum management
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:32:26Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "\"many\" yep, but possibly different, e.g. in terms of how missions and devices get planned
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:32:29Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "LEO cubesats might have misson-computer duty cycles of around 20% (small solar panels). If computer is only on 20% of time, radio will be on much less.
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:33:13Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "and don't many lunar scenarios involve humans? those do tend to change n/w requirements
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:33:33Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "not that many customers up there yet?
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:34:01Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "no Space On Line CDs to send
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:34:16Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "So near-to-earth doesn't necessarily mean \"power is ok\"
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:34:26Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "sure, there's a pile of optimism involved, but one interesting question is whether the delay/disruption requirements will affect the set of protocols deployed - I'd guess they will somewhat
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:35:01Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "one of the trade offs we are dealing with, even for cislunar space is do I point the antenna or the solar panel?
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:35:06Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "@jorge yup
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:35:49Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "and Newton never forgives, if I move something I will need to correct my orbit -> propellant
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:36:14Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "Rick +1 yes !!
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:36:50Z"}, {"author": "Tony Li", "text": "It would be more accurate to say that TCP doesn't work in deep space. IP is another matter.
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:37:29Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "is the tension here related to assumptions that there'll only end up being one waist in an hourglass?
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:37:37Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "very interesting conversation to have while having a beer but not really to solve the deep space problems
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:38:22Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "Erik draft is very promising since we would be able to run BP over ethernet on a modern satellite bus
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:39:16Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "What I see is a desire to implement minimal BP directly over frames.
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:39:29Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "I tend to agree wrt deep-space, but not necessarily lunar scenarios - such differences could affect which IETF protocols get deployed where - ISTM the latter scenario will have fewer constraints in some but not all cases
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:39:39Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "^that !!
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:39:39Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": ":pray:
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:39:42Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "we are using gige switches on modern buses so having BP over ethernet would be a plus
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:41:37Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "I'll get that doc updated and the companion dualstack-bp doc, per feedback at 117
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:42:10Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "my fault for not having had the time
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:42:17Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "no problem
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:42:24Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "as Ed said, we have a couple of years :-)
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:42:37Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "isn't that for IoT?
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:43:39Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "complete different case scenarios for LEO constellations
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:44:49Z"}, {"author": "Sergio Aguilar", "text": "yes, is for IoT
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:47:11Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "write a QUIC CL for BP and I will test it :big_smile:
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:51:20Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "it was impossible to follow the conversation
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:55:22Z"}, {"author": "Edward Birrane", "text": "Part of the difficulty was the lack of subject lines, less the dual posting.
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:55:58Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "rough consensus and running code
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:56:11Z"}, {"author": "altanai", "text": "+1 QUIC could be more generic than solely focused on web
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:56:24Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "get the code running and we can work for consensus :-)
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:56:26Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "remember at well!
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:58:17Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "if you talk about it, it becomes public !!
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:58:27Z"}, {"author": "Jorge Amodio", "text": "great session !!
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:58:38Z"}, {"author": "Sergio Aguilar", "text": "thanks to all
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:58:52Z"}, {"author": "altanai", "text": "informative session indeed .
", "time": "2023-11-07T13:58:54Z"}]