hello!
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:34:22Z"}, {"author": "Francesca Palombini", "text": "Do we have a minute taker?
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:34:28Z"}, {"author": "Francesca Palombini", "text": "Note well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:35:21Z"}, {"author": "Robert Sparks", "text": "Is lars loud enough for remote listeners?
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:36:06Z"}, {"author": "Emily Heron", "text": "I will take minutes
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:37:31Z"}, {"author": "Abdussalam Baryun", "text": "hi all
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:40:48Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "If Lars is here: Do we want comments/questions as we go or wait until the end?
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:40:58Z"}, {"author": "Abdussalam Baryun", "text": "no we are free for Qs, otherwise they should say
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:42:29Z"}, {"author": "Jari Arkko", "text": "+1 Mnot's and Pete's points
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:56:12Z"}, {"author": "Mark Nottingham", "text": "IETF119 connectivity provided by internet.org
\n/me ducks
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:57:33Z"}, {"author": "David Schinazi", "text": "And if you can access my MASQUE server you can have unfiltered Internet...
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:59:04Z"}, {"author": "Ted Hardie", "text": "@meetecho can you check the gain on the room mic in the ballroom (genarea)?
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:59:09Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "Someone from the AV team is on it
", "time": "2023-11-08T08:59:57Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "Fair enough: @Dhruv Dhody points out to me that the \"unfiltered\" definition is included by reference in the mandatory criterium. So perhaps not so \"overthought\". I stand corrected.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:00:03Z"}, {"author": "Mark Nottingham", "text": "+1 to Cullen
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:00:26Z"}, {"author": "Ted Hardie", "text": "Would it work to say something like \"Neither the Facility network, the IETF Hotel's network, nor their upstream providers may impose technical constraints beyond those mandated by the local jurisdiction.\"
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:03:01Z"}, {"author": "Ted Hardie", "text": "And leave it at that?
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:03:09Z"}, {"author": "Ted Hardie", "text": "(We could still require disclosure)
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:03:35Z"}, {"author": "Ted Hardie", "text": "Actually, that would lose the DoS protection case, so never mind.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:04:54Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "Remember, WGLC is not a formal part of our process anyway. \"Some-random-collection-of-people-Last-Call\" is just as good as WGLC.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:07:05Z"}, {"author": "David Schinazi", "text": "@Pete isn't WGLC an official part from 2418?
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:14:27Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "@David Schinazi Nope.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:15:20Z"}, {"author": "Jon Peterson", "text": "I think people allude to the general state of the market (like deployment) all the time to argue for doing one thing instead of another
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:16:04Z"}, {"author": "Jon Peterson", "text": "not clear if that will be disallowed under this
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:16:28Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "@David Schinazi Sorry, 2418
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:16:29Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "Yes, I suppose so. Not required by 2026
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:16:54Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "2418 only says, \"In most cases the
\n determination that a WG feels that a document is ready for
\n publication is done by the WG Chair issuing a working group Last-
\n Call.\"
Not strictly required.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:17:45Z"}, {"author": "Cullen Jennings", "text": "I think I need to agree with Stephan on this one.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:22:07Z"}, {"author": "Jon Peterson", "text": "Ietf facility = anywhere note well applies?
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:32:00Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "@Ted Hardie My understanding was that the lawyers were asked specifically about the \"facility\" risk, and they thought it was low.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:32:47Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "(Which Jay just said after I typed that)
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:33:19Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "ETSI and 3GPP are very different sorts of organizations.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:34:25Z"}, {"author": "Cullen Jennings", "text": "Great answer from Jay
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:35:50Z"}, {"author": "Ted Hardie", "text": "So, my understanding is that open side meetings are not under note well by default (they may be, but are not required to be). (This does not affect the answer Jay gave me, just checking that this is a common understanding)
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:36:29Z"}, {"author": "David Schinazi", "text": "I was in a side meeting yesterday where the person running the meeting forgot to say whether it was under the note well or not. We should probably require people to state which way
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:40:37Z"}, {"author": "Alvaro Retana", "text": "\"All public side meetings are subject to the IETF Note Well; participants are expected to follow the usual IETF policies on personal conduct, IPR disclosure obligations, etc.\" -- From the Side Meetings Wiki
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:41:47Z"}, {"author": "David Schinazi", "text": "Ah, thanks Alvaro
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:43:10Z"}, {"author": "Ted Hardie", "text": "Thanks, Alvaro. I think that may not get enough stress, because I have been in meetings in which it has been stated that it was under some other set of rules.
", "time": "2023-11-08T09:43:13Z"}, {"author": "Jane Coffin", "text": "Per the point made about culture, and thinking of new participants, and other issues that might need clarification about this topic- would it be reasonable to ask IETF to create explanatory videos (w/subtitles) to clarify procedures - in this case - ability to appeal an IESG decision.
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:04:49Z"}, {"author": "Jane Coffin", "text": "This does not solve the problem, but is a path to making processes clearer.
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:05:23Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "i agree with Pete's assessment here
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:05:43Z"}, {"author": "Abdussalam Baryun", "text": "I agree that there is a problem, and this area needs to solve it
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:06:26Z"}, {"author": "Francesca Palombini", "text": "that's a good idea Jane!
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:06:30Z"}, {"author": "Abdussalam Baryun", "text": "We need draft/RFC to state the situation first as start, or defining the real situation for future knowledge
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:08:07Z"}, {"author": "Warren Kumari", "text": "Please also see https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/handling-ballot-positions/ This is an attempt to clarify that the term \"discuss\" means exactly that - a request to have a discussion on the issue...
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:10:50Z"}, {"author": "Abdussalam Baryun", "text": "we need to hear all who are in the queue, I hope chair to leave answers to the end please
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:15:20Z"}, {"author": "Abdussalam Baryun", "text": "@Chair, I hope we can hear all whom are in the queue please.
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:15:51Z"}, {"author": "Abdussalam Baryun", "text": "explainations of their input can be on the list
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:16:31Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "@Warren Kumari https://wiki.ietf.org/en/group/iesg/archive/ballottheory
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:23:40Z"}, {"author": "Abdussalam Baryun", "text": "I agree with Collin
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:24:02Z"}, {"author": "Karen O'Donoghue", "text": "Colin makes a good point.
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:24:29Z"}, {"author": "Jane Coffin", "text": "+1 on Colin's point
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:27:25Z"}, {"author": "Cullen Jennings", "text": "I have always wanted a community dashboard that was \"rate my discuss\"
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:29:26Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "Block or not dot com
", "time": "2023-11-08T10:32:34Z"}]