[{"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "<p>Hello!</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:32:33Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p><span class=\"user-mention silent\" data-user-id=\"169\">Michael Richardson</span> <a href=\"#narrow/stream/237-ipsecme/topic/ietf-119/near/110747\">said</a>:</p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Hello!</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>Hi, MCR</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:33:08Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>The original -00 of g-ikev2 was in March 2010.  13 years.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:35:43Z"}, {"author": "Donald Eastlake", "text": "<p>14</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:36:31Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>Thanks.  Need more coffee.</p>\n<p>And to finish this draft...</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:36:58Z"}, {"author": "Derrell Piper", "text": "<p>Hello everyone.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:41:41Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>OK. I made the ike-tcp draft disappear.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:41:48Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>Hi, Derrell</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:42:15Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "<p>@meetecho please repoint camera.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:43:02Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>Why is this different from IPv4?</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:52:48Z"}, {"author": "Valery Smyslov", "text": "<p>I believe it is incorrect slide</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:53:03Z"}, {"author": "Tero Kivinen", "text": "<p>it isn't, but except ipv4 has nats so there is natt enabled often.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:53:19Z"}, {"author": "Valery Smyslov", "text": "<p>But doth IP4 and IP6 can be send either above IP or inside UDP</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:53:51Z"}, {"author": "Tero Kivinen", "text": "<p>yes</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:54:00Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>NAT66 <em>is</em> a thing</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T05:54:48Z"}, {"author": "Christian Hopps", "text": "<p>the echo is b/c valery isn't using a headset</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:03:09Z"}, {"author": "Christian Hopps", "text": "<p>maybe</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:03:14Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "<p>Valery please mute, or use headphones.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:03:17Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>ESP in IPv4 is very common on the Internet.  The bigger use of IPsec in the real world in site-to-site VPN and ESP works very well there.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:04:44Z"}, {"author": "Christian Hopps", "text": "<p>i hope the intent by that last comment wasn't to limit it's use. it should be able to be used however people want</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:06:32Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p><span class=\"user-mention silent\" data-user-id=\"169\">Michael Richardson</span> <a href=\"#narrow/stream/237-ipsecme/topic/ietf-119/near/110907\">said</a>:</p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Valery please mute, or use headphones.</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>s/or/and/</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:07:04Z"}, {"author": "Valery Smyslov", "text": "<p>Sorry, no headphones handy :-(</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:07:56Z"}, {"author": "Valery Smyslov", "text": "<p>INVALID_SPI is optional,  it's to expensive to send it in response to everybad SPI</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:13:25Z"}, {"author": "Valery Smyslov", "text": "<p>s/to/too</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:13:37Z"}, {"author": "Tero Kivinen", "text": "<p>Answer is to use IPv6 inside the tunnels, and each RAN user has his own /40 network...</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:18:26Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "<p><span class=\"user-mention silent\" data-user-id=\"64\">Tero Kivinen</span> <a href=\"#narrow/stream/237-ipsecme/topic/ietf-119/near/110984\">said</a>:</p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Answer is to use IPv6 inside the tunnels, and each RAN user has his own /40 network...</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>Yes, I said the same thing.  Or give each Base Station N addresses, which is also easy if they are IPv6.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:19:14Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "<p><span class=\"user-mention silent\" data-user-id=\"169\">Michael Richardson</span> <a href=\"#narrow/stream/237-ipsecme/topic/ietf-119/near/110994\">said</a>:</p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><span class=\"user-mention silent\" data-user-id=\"64\">Tero Kivinen</span> <a href=\"#narrow/stream/237-ipsecme/topic/ietf-119/near/110984\">said</a>:</p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Answer is to use IPv6 inside the tunnels, and each RAN user has his own /40 network...</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>Yes, I said the same thing.  Or give each Base Station N addresses, which is also easy if they are IPv6.</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>My solution, however, requires different PARENT SAs for each RAN.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:20:15Z"}, {"author": "Valery Smyslov", "text": "<p>See RFC 7791</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:21:10Z"}, {"author": "Tero Kivinen", "text": "<p>They could encode the ipv4 address in the ipv6 address...</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:21:12Z"}, {"author": "Tero Kivinen", "text": "<p>with different ipv6 prefix for each RAN.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:21:36Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Migault", "text": "<p>do we mean the VPN ID is the SPI ?</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:27:46Z"}, {"author": "Tero Kivinen", "text": "<p>Either inside SPI or inside the IPv6 prefix..</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:29:40Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>We've had a bunch of drafts on this. draft-mrossberg-ipsecme-multiple-sequence-counters was the last one.</p>\n<p>It's all about splitting the \"tunnel\" between encrypting processors.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:36:15Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>multiple sequence windows, multiple parallel SAs, ignore sequence numbers...</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:38:05Z"}, {"author": "Yoav Nir", "text": "<p>At Check Point we did multiple parallel SAs.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:38:16Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "<p>Valery, thanks for finding the headphones!</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:46:52Z"}, {"author": "Valery Smyslov", "text": "<p>It was hard task :-)</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:47:18Z"}, {"author": "Alper Demir", "text": "<p>Is there github URL?</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:47:48Z"}, {"author": "Alper Demir", "text": "<p>can I join note-taking?</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:53:16Z"}, {"author": "Tero Kivinen", "text": "<p>Click note taking tool, and open it, so you can add text there.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:53:50Z"}, {"author": "Tero Kivinen", "text": "<p>top of the meetecho page, after the ipsecme title.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:54:06Z"}, {"author": "Alper Demir", "text": "<p>got it, but it is empty</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:54:24Z"}, {"author": "Alper Demir", "text": "<p>can you give permissions for note-taking?</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:54:38Z"}, {"author": "Tero Kivinen", "text": "<p><a href=\"https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-119-ipsecme\">https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-119-ipsecme#</a></p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:54:41Z"}, {"author": "Alper Demir", "text": "<p>Thank you, Tero</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T06:55:09Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Migault", "text": "<p>Thanks you.</p>", "time": "2024-03-19T07:00:57Z"}]