:wave:
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:33:30Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": ":wave::wave:
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:33:38Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": "Ha, that's supposed to be a hand wave
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:33:53Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "hmmm
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:34:06Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": ";-)
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:34:13Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": ":wave:
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:34:34Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "Same bug for me
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:34:42Z"}, {"author": "Paul Gear", "text": ":wave::ocean: <-- Hi from the beach?
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:35:55Z"}, {"author": "Gyan Mishra", "text": "Volume see
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:36:13Z"}, {"author": "Gyan Mishra", "text": "Very low
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:36:26Z"}, {"author": "Shukri Abdallah", "text": "please move camera to presenter
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:36:40Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "how is the audio in the room
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:36:46Z"}, {"author": "Paul Gear", "text": "Could be louder, \u00c9ric
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:38:25Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "@meetecho can you check remote volume ?
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:39:11Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "It sounds fine to us
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:39:48Z"}, {"author": "Eduard V", "text": "remote volume is perfect.
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:40:10Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "ack
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:40:18Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "wondering about BUM address
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:44:18Z"}, {"author": "Bob Hinden", "text": "Why is this being presented in V6ops? Doesn\u2019t seem operational.
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:45:31Z"}, {"author": "Masanobu Kawashima", "text": "What is the advantage than EtherIP? Hmm...
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:49:46Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "The draft I mentioned: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-masque-connect-ethernet/
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:50:17Z"}, {"author": "Naoki Matsuhira", "text": "I remember my proposal, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-matsuhira-me6e-pr/
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:50:51Z"}, {"author": "Naoki Matsuhira", "text": "https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-matsuhira-me6a/
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:51:14Z"}, {"author": "Dave Phelan", "text": "Audience and chair mic in the room is very low
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:53:59Z"}, {"author": "Dave Phelan", "text": "Volume\u2026not height
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:54:32Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "Ok so I wasn't off base, that's why I thought nobody could have heard my name (didn't hear any speaker from the mic position at all)
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:55:35Z"}, {"author": "Dave Phelan", "text": "Audible\u2026just not the same as the presaenter
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:56:23Z"}, {"author": "XiPeng Xiao", "text": "we need to speak into the mic then
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:56:30Z"}, {"author": "Christopher Hawker", "text": "@Chairs queue is closed
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:57:18Z"}, {"author": "XiPeng Xiao", "text": "unlocked
", "time": "2024-03-19T23:58:03Z"}, {"author": "Gyan Mishra", "text": "The first presenter was very low but the last few were better
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:03:56Z"}, {"author": "Gyan Mishra", "text": "Still low but better
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:04:18Z"}, {"author": "Naoki Matsuhira", "text": "I found me6e slide, https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/94/materials/slides-94-nvo3-6
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:06:08Z"}, {"author": "Dave Thaler", "text": "my opinion: anything that is a MAY should be left out. Anything that is a SHOULD or a MUST should be mentioned.
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:07:22Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "+1
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:07:54Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "ack
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:08:03Z"}, {"author": "Terry Sweetser", "text": "I hope NAT is actually discouraged.
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:18:28Z"}, {"author": "Christopher Hawker", "text": "+1
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:19:15Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "I love RFC 8801 ;-) (PvD)
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:19:50Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "src-dst routing may also be attractive
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:20:48Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": "related, I'd love to see a much better source/dst address selection mechanism that would potentially remedy some of this by making the host able to better determine \"best option\".
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:22:13Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "@nick indeede
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:22:32Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "This topic has nearly as many solutions as people in the WG ;-)
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:23:12Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": "Brian Carpenter has some really good ideas in this space and even some userland code that I believe is a fantastic start
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:23:18Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": "@Erik indeed about the solutions
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:23:46Z"}, {"author": "Dave Phelan", "text": "ULA+NPT = Un-Happy Eyeballs this should not be used\u2026.period.
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:24:29Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "An IETF Newcomer presenting at his first meeting ! Wow
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:26:39Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "+1, definitely wasn't that brave my first (few) times
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:27:14Z"}, {"author": "Christopher Hawker", "text": "+1 and much kudos!
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:27:36Z"}, {"author": "XiPeng Xiao", "text": "WE need new blood and thanks to Nalini for bringing in new blood
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:28:36Z"}, {"author": "Paul Gear", "text": "If any of the commenters on the site multihoming draft doubt the use case or the reasons why people would consider all of the options presented, please let me take 15 minutes of your day to explain my experiences with this and why this draft is hugely important.
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:31:05Z"}, {"author": "Terry Sweetser", "text": "@Paul Gear, I'm just very suspicious of recommendations that endorse or propagate NAT and NPT for basic customer networks with IPv6 to IPv6 traffic.
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:37:51Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": "Definitely not an endorsement. Simply a detailing of things available and used today
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:38:27Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": "and definitely not a recommendation, which we tried to relay in the text.
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:39:13Z"}, {"author": "Paul Gear", "text": "The point of the document is that none of the currently available solutions to the problem is adequate.
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:40:12Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": "^ this
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:41:04Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "Warrren for IPv6-bis ? ;-)
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:50:09Z"}, {"author": "Mark Smith", "text": "I'll get some red baseball caps made with \"Make IPv6 IPv4 Again\" on them.
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:51:21Z"}, {"author": "George Michaelson", "text": "@mark only available in bigly sizes
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:52:00Z"}, {"author": "Mark Smith", "text": "Red hats with \"Make IPv4 IPv6\" would be better.
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:56:46Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "Jen is looking for a religion discussion ?
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:56:55Z"}, {"author": "Mark Smith", "text": "", "time": "2024-03-20T00:56:55Z"}, {"author": "Brian Carpenter", "text": "@\u00c9ric, Warren is right that a sort of review of design assumptions could be very informative. I don't think we can scrap link-locals, but I question whether RFC4007 is fit for purpose.
", "time": "2024-03-20T00:59:13Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "@Brian, a few things can be improved indeed but I am really concerned about deployment speed...
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:00:22Z"}, {"author": "Brian Carpenter", "text": "Somebody should talk to Jen about Comics Sans :grinning:
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:02:13Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "About how awesome it is, you mean, surely?
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:02:34Z"}, {"author": "Brian Carpenter", "text": "@\u00c9ric, yes, such a review is not on the critical path
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:03:03Z"}, {"author": "Dave Phelan", "text": "Jen and Randy
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:03:28Z"}, {"author": "Christopher Hawker", "text": ":joy:
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:05:29Z"}, {"author": "XiPeng Xiao", "text": "I know multiple people having similar opinion to Warren's, but they are afraid of saying it in public. I think it takes an AD to say this
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:05:41Z"}, {"author": "Brian Carpenter", "text": "(Although in the case of link-locals, IPv4 is more broken than IPv6, because the stack has to guess the interface #.)
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:07:40Z"}, {"author": "Paul Gear", "text": "This emoji translator is really messed up. That said \"+100 cool points\".
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:08:26Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": "As an ar school grad who is both a lover of comics and someone that wanted to be a comic book artist - I approve.
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:08:36Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": "art* school
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:08:46Z"}, {"author": "Mark Andrews", "text": "DS-Lite needs an equivalent DHCPv4 option to 108.
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:09:23Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": "I would love to see more support for pref64 in more commercial hardware. Option 108 is an extremely useful way to migrate to v6only. With MS adding CLAT and 108 support that will turbo charge the USG IPv6-only initiative.
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:11:16Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "isn't the traceroute a NAT64 rather than CLAT ?
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:12:45Z"}, {"author": "Masanobu Kawashima", "text": "Just FYI.
\nhttps://conference.apnic.net/34/pdf/34th_apnic_464xlat.pdf
\nPlease see slide 13(IPv4/IPv6 Mixed Traceroute). It might be useful information.
we have few issues with the SC23 conference network, and the problems we had were surprisingly not related to end device bugs: it was poorly crafted policy from centrally managed systems and problems with wireless controller multicast support
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:13:24Z"}, {"author": "Christopher Hawker", "text": "https://2024.apricot.net/assets/files/APIC378/ipv6-only-reportnew_1709596043.pdf
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:14:20Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": "^ great read
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:14:35Z"}, {"author": "Jen Linkova", "text": "\n", "time": "2024-03-20T01:24:17Z"}, {"author": "Jen Linkova", "text": "isn't the traceroute a NAT64 rather than CLAT ?
\n
\ntraceroute 8.8.8.8 on an Ipv6-only machine
it would go via clat
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:24:24Z"}, {"author": "Jen Linkova", "text": "and yes, users do complain about 'I want to do ping 8.8.8.8 and it doesn't work on your IPv6-only network'
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:24:58Z"}, {"author": "Jen Linkova", "text": "\n\nwould love to see more support for pref64 in more commercial hardware.
\n
Juniper and Cisco support that
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:25:33Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "and yes, users do complain about 'I want to do ping 8.8.8.8 and it doesn't work on your IPv6-only network' Really ?
yes
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:26:28Z"}, {"author": "Jen Linkova", "text": "think about it: the user is not supposed to know/care about all that IPv6-mostly thingy. Then smth doesn;t work, they do 'traceroute 8.8.8.8' and see...what? So they open a support ticket - you network drops packets!
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:27:38Z"}, {"author": "Jen Linkova", "text": "and for Ops people it's hard - they are losing their favourite tool and need to do 'traceroute6 64:ff9b::8.8.8.8'
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:28:40Z"}, {"author": "Masanobu Kawashima", "text": "Maybe we could add traceroute -clat option something like that. New option.
\nhttps://conference.apnic.net/34/pdf/34th_apnic_464xlat.pdf
\nPlease see slide 13(IPv4/IPv6 Mixed Traceroute). It might be useful information.
\n\nMaybe we could add traceroute -clat option something like that. New option. https://conference.apnic.net/34/pdf/34th_apnic_464xlat.pdf
\n
\nPlease see slide 13(IPv4/IPv6 Mixed Traceroute). It might be useful information.
Thank you! We've been talking - maybe ICMP extensions..
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:32:42Z"}, {"author": "Mark Andrews", "text": "Which is why IPV6_USE_MINMTU exists
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:33:20Z"}, {"author": "Nick Buraglio", "text": "This is a very cool idea
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:33:30Z"}, {"author": "Shukri Abdallah", "text": "we lost video
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:42:24Z"}, {"author": "XiPeng Xiao", "text": "because we are already over time
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:42:39Z"}, {"author": "XiPeng Xiao", "text": "I didn't intervene because there is no other meeting here
", "time": "2024-03-20T01:43:01Z"}]