CALEXT at IETF119 Brisbane

Wednesday 2024-03-20 13:00 AET (03:00 UTC)

Daniel was Remote, Bron in the Room

The notewell was read.

New Area Director

Welcome Orie, and thanks Francesca.

With editors

• jscontact and friends: 10 min
  • all documents are in AUTH48
  • ACTION: Robert to continue doing AUTH48 formatting edits for
    jscontact and friends.

In WG Last Call

• ical tasks: 10 min
• subscription upgrade: 10 min
  • Mike: think they're both done?
  • Ken: had some editorial nits and technical comments. Posted a
    few weeks ago.
  • ACTION: Ken and Mike to address subscription-upgrade issues in
    calconnect calls and submit a new draft, then Bron will then
    submit to IESG.
  • ACTION: Ken to do shepherd writeup for icalendar-tasks, then
    Bron will submit to IESG.
  • Ken will get the shepherd writeup done by end of next week.

Expired drafts:

• jscalendar and friends: 10 min

  • We now have a tool to extract the examples from the ID and run
    the test examples to make sure that the conversion works.
  • We did this with JSContact, and it worked well there
  • Next steps - look at how to convert every registered element,
    including things which aren't standard things in JSCalendar
  • Regarding the two documents that we don't plan to revive soon ->
    wouldn't want to refresh them with a new version, because it
    would look like the content is alive.
  • ACTION: All - please join interoperation tests!
  • ACTION: Robert will make github repository for
    jscalendar-icalendar tests public.
  • Bron will park the other documents.

• serverside subscriptions

  • Ken: Vendor who started it disappeared, let's park it unless
    there's future interest
  • Mike: has useful aspects
  • Ken: no point if nobody is interested
  • Bron will park this document

• series:

  • Mike: still interested in trying to get it moving.
  • ACTION: Mike will refresh icalendar-series draft.
  • Bron: what's blocking us from moving faster on these? Mike time
    availability?
  • Mike: time, and also implementation.
  • Especially in public events, it makes a lot of sense.
  • Bron: not helping anybody if it's not published and being used!

• vpoll: 5 min

  • Mike: Ken posted a bunch of comments
  • Ken: mostly, registrations that were missing. Have upgraded
    Cyrus implementation, in the process of writing tests. Can spend
    some time refreshing the text, hopefully get going by Vancouver.
  • Biggest issue was iTIP.
  • Ken: proven that it works in the past, have shown in coding that
    it's still viable.
  • ACTION: Ken and Mike to work on refreshing vpoll document
  • Mike to look at own implementation.
  • Neil: unsure if worth proceeding without buyin from other
    implementations.
  • Ken: hard to counter that! Because it's been languishing for so
    long, people who could be interested may not be aware it exists.
  • Mike: was surprised to find that someone was using VPOLL
    somewhere (with Bedework). But if it sits there looking like a
    draft that's not helping.
  • Ken: think it's close enough to being done, probably worth
    finishing it. If tech isn't correct, come up with vpoll2.
  • Bron: shift to informational? Experimental standard?
  • Daniel: informational is for widely deployed. Experimental;
    don't actually know how people percieve it. Might be encouraged
    not to use, think standard track might be most appropriate.
  • Ken: if we go experimental, and turns out people want to use it.
    What's the path, just a new draft?
  • Bron: won't create interop problems either way?
  • Neil: will there be another calconnect meeting? Should we see if
    other vendors interested?
  • Mike: need to widen the testing base for icalendar and
    jscalendar. Concerned that if we don't attract the major
    vendors.
  • Need to get people outside active IETF participants involved.
  • Bron: who will do this?
  • Mike: need to make use of the contacts we have. Hardest to get
    engaged are major vendors. Without their engagement, most of
    what we do isn't going to go anywhere.
  • ACTION: Ken and Mike to contact CalConnect members and request
    their testing on all our documents.

AOB: 5 min

Milestones: 5 min

• Regarding jscalendar-icalendar:
  • Robert: don't expect issues, the jmap-calendars changes will
    remove the issues we've had for the last two years.
  • No issues on radar, it's just don't want to publish without
    having implementations by organisations where authors are
    working on documents - want 3 implementations to interoperate

Should we meet in Vancouver?

• Bron: do we have the work that justifies taking up a slot?

  • Robert: won't have things that need a room to present by then.
  • Ken: As far as other iCalendar drafts, can probably be done on
    the list.
  • Daneil: when is next CalConnect meeting? Mike; we haven't set
    one up.
  • Mike; was considering trying to set one near Vancouver? If we
    can get anyone actively involved in testing, then it might be
    valuable. Might be a little early.
  • Robert: there are errata in VCARD - is that in group? Yes, one
    open.

• Bron: won't do unless we get significant interest