mops, IETF 119
21 March 2024 09:30-10:30 Australia/Brisbane
First half of joint session with add

Chairs: Leslie Daigle (local), Kyle Rose (remote)
Tech advisors: Glenn Deen (local), Warren Kumari (local)
Area Director: Éric Vyncke
Minutes: tale

Admin [5 min]

Note well (yes please do)
Be sure to sign in to Meetecho, even locally

Minute taker (tale)

Agenda bash
No one chose to bash.

Working Group Documents [10 min]

• Media Operations Use Case for an Extended Reality Application on
  Edge Computing Infrastructure
  Submitted to IESG for Publication
• TreeDN: Tree-based CDNs for Live Streaming to Mass Audiences
  Through last call and shepherding to Éric the AD.

Other IETF work [10min]

• Update on MOQ, from a media perspective (TBC)
  Unfortunately could not get someone here for it because of the
  scheduling conflict with SCONEPRO BoF, so look to future updates on
  the mailing list.
• Industry News/Experiences [30 min]
• Update from SVTA (Glenn Deen)
• Video and application network overlays (Glenn Deen)
  The SVTA is starting a review of the impact of application network
  overlays on industry-standard media distribution workflows. Points
  of possible contention include use of DNS, or http versus https
  URIs.

Discussion is meant to focus on operational impacts in the
industry.

The expectation is that the SVTA will have a review and document
available in advance of IETF 120 for a deeper technical discussion.

The discussion at IETF 119 will be an introduction of the problem
space, and an opportunity to identify more points of commonality to be
explored in the SVTA work.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-119-mops-svta-update-to-mops-at-ietf-119/

Largely no notes on slides, other than to summarize them as: This
use of the network is currently going on, and it leads to complicated
alternate paths for different types of data that can be difficult to
analyze.

?: Is this ICN environment?
       Glenn: No. Independent of ICN and entrenched in http as delivery
path.

Éric Vyncke: Please present this major operational doc in other
groups not just mops.
       George Michaelson: Definitely talking about real problems, but
this really seems to be a cross-group discussion that needs to happen.
There's a lot of policy implications here that are very difficult to
talk about because of the complexity.
       Glenn: You're right, but the challenge is also not to boil the
ocean so we're trying to narrow it down to cases that can be reasonably
addressed. We're also not trying to do undo any of the IETF privacy
initiatives.
       Warren Kumari: Yes, it is a broad topic but we can still focus on
the mops piece.

AoB [5min]