please mention \"meetecho\" asking to play the video so I'm sure we get notified
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:30:39Z"}, {"author": "Jordi Cenzano", "text": "KR it will be better if you share the video, I need the audience the listen ot the audio
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:31:05Z"}, {"author": "Kyle Rose", "text": "Will do, Alessandro
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:31:08Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "Jordi: we'll share the video ourselves
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:31:24Z"}, {"author": "Jordi Cenzano", "text": "I sent an email to Alex with the public google drive link
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:31:40Z"}, {"author": "Jordi Cenzano", "text": "Perfect, thanks!!
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:31:49Z"}, {"author": "Chris Lemmons", "text": "I can handle notes for any decisions that occur.
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:33:50Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "Thank you Chris
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:34:13Z"}, {"author": "Kyle Rose", "text": "Thanks, Chris!
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:34:14Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "Help Chris https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-120-mops?both
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:34:25Z"}, {"author": "Chris Lemmons", "text": "Cheers!
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:38:20Z"}, {"author": "Renan Krishna", "text": ":smile:
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:38:39Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "The discussion about who streams the video is strangely appropriate for media ops.
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:40:12Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": ":)
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:40:47Z"}, {"author": "Kyle Rose", "text": "meetecho: there's a bug in the slide presentation where right arrow doesn't work after using \"change deck\". I'm guessing it thinks it still refers to the previous deck.
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:41:19Z"}, {"author": "Kyle Rose", "text": "Clicking the right arrow on the screen works, however
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:41:35Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "Kyle: ack, thanks for the heads up, we'll try and replicate the issue later!
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:42:03Z"}, {"author": "Kyle Rose", "text": ":+1:
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:42:13Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "So it's one group per GOP, or one object per GOP?
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:43:37Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "It's group per GOP mostly, I from what I understood
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:44:08Z"}, {"author": "Mike English", "text": "Juliusz: it could be either.
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:44:18Z"}, {"author": "Jordi Cenzano", "text": "up to the app, but IMHO GOP per group is what makes more sense
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:44:29Z"}, {"author": "Mike English", "text": "The idea of groups is to give an indication as to where join points are in a way that can be visible to relays
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:44:44Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "Thanks.
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:45:13Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "I have an implementation of MOQ too, even though I haven't released it yet
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:47:16Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "I guess you relay between MOQ and WebRTC, Lorenzo?
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:47:45Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "I'm working on WebRTC to MOQ gatewaying as well, yes (I already did it for ROQ) but I'm working on \"just\" MOQ too
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:48:40Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "The latency is lower for 2+2 than for 3+3.
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:50:03Z"}, {"author": "Leslie Daigle", "text": "That was compute latency, i think
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:50:26Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "There's the latency to do the math in your head as well :D
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:50:30Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "Lorenzo, I'm looking forward to your blog posting on the subject. (Hint, hint.)
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:51:03Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "I already wrote a first blog post on my work on a QUIC stack, next one will be ROQ and then MOQ :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:51:45Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "Cool, I'll have a look.
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:52:06Z"}, {"author": "Chris Lemmons", "text": "Gonna be fancy slides. :)
", "time": "2024-07-22T22:54:27Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "Hmm... I agree it looks like bandwidth probing, but the interesting thing would be to find out how they react to bandwidth changes that are not explicitly signalled.
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:04:21Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "Speculation: people cannot read specs.
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:10:35Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "Mic: this was very informative, thanks.
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:12:13Z"}, {"author": "Mike English", "text": "Great to have something to point to that summarizes all of these divergences from the standards. Thank you!
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:12:43Z"}, {"author": "Peng Qiu", "text": "Hi Juliusz and Mike, thank you for feedback to our work.
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:14:31Z"}, {"author": "Mike English", "text": "Thank you for sharing it here! Is the SIGCOMM paper available publicly yet?
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:18:22Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "I'm very confused by this slide. Non-HTTPS content?
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:21:59Z"}, {"author": "Alan Frindell", "text": "I'm also surprised HTTP and HTTPS go differently through masque?
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:22:28Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "yes
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:22:51Z"}, {"author": "Jason Livingood", "text": "There are a lot of old video clients on smart TVs and such - I suspect many of those may not support TLS, but who knows.
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:23:19Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "But the slide implies that there's HTTP and HTTPS content in the same application.
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:23:43Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "If it weren't the same application, the different latencies wouldn't matter.
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:23:58Z"}, {"author": "Jason Livingood", "text": "Maybe ask at the mic
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:23:59Z"}, {"author": "\u00c9ric Vyncke", "text": "unsure whether it was the same application as opposed to same node
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:24:13Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "I'm remote, and it's nighttime over here.
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:24:18Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "old video clients that are running on an apple device that would use private relay?
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:24:19Z"}, {"author": "Jason Livingood", "text": "no idea lucas - just trying to guess at odd corner cases - ask at the mic
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:24:50Z"}, {"author": "Sanjay Mishra", "text": "An end-user client App may use HTTP to request video segments
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:25:08Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "they shouldn't use HTTP
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:25:20Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "that's sorta the problem
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:25:40Z"}, {"author": "Woo Xie", "text": "@Mike English, this is a sigcomm IMC submission, still under review. if interested, i can send that over for preview
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:25:55Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "I'm sure we can agree that video metadata (which video a given user is watching) is private data.
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:25:57Z"}, {"author": "Sanjay Mishra", "text": "Apps are all over the place and there is no way to manage whether it uses http instead of https
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:26:30Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "its 10 years since https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7258 was published, tsuch apps need to get a grip
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:27:21Z"}, {"author": "Alan Frindell", "text": "+1
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:28:22Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "Woo Xie: arxiv?
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:28:25Z"}, {"author": "Woo Xie", "text": "@Juliusz Chroboczek this is a conference submission under review. so we do not know whether it will be accepted and published yet. If interested, we share the draft
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:30:40Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "Is he assuming that none of the people I live with can run tcpdump?
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:30:52Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "Woo Xie: I'll wait until it is in open access. (I don't cite papers unless they are freely available, or, lacking that, until a draft is available on Arxiv.)
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:32:07Z"}, {"author": "Chris Lemmons", "text": "Yeah... but the request isn't encrypted. Encrypted content only protects the content provider, not the end user.
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:33:05Z"}, {"author": "Mike English", "text": "Woo Xie: I can wait until publication or a preprint is publicly available, as well. Thanks!
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:33:15Z"}, {"author": "Mike English", "text": "+1 Lucas' remarks at the mic, btw
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:33:32Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "i will +1 Glenn
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:33:43Z"}, {"author": "Lucas Pardue", "text": "that tooling in this area SUCKS
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:33:50Z"}, {"author": "Jason Livingood", "text": "I see a :kitten:! :smile:
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:35:36Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "I'm looking for the mops group to formally adopt Kyle's cat.
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:35:58Z"}, {"author": "Mike English", "text": "+1 Glenn, thanks for kicking off this conversation, it's good for everyone to be talking to each other
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:36:01Z"}, {"author": "Jason Livingood", "text": "+1. MOPS needs an official cat mascot.
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:36:15Z"}, {"author": "Juliusz Chroboczek", "text": "Thanks to the chairs!
", "time": "2024-07-22T23:39:19Z"}]